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QUOTE (yahudidevriyesi @ November 08, 2009 08:07 pm)
Okay, so, proper context must be defined by you, and not me, since I am a lying Jew and you are a truth-telling Christian.

Moving through point-by-point:

1. As a Turkish Jew? I am not in any way Turkish! I speak extremely broken Turkish, as any of the Turks on here can confirm. I also speak really poor Spanish, as any of my Mexican neighbours back home can confirm. greekturkish/laugh.gif
2. I um... I never said the Armenian diaspora were "evil". Yes, I, I don't think I ever said that. I think even in today's well documented insults toward Greeks I never called the Greeks evil. But it's very normal for nazis like you to go around saying the Jews vilify and insult Christian culture, despite evidence to the contrary.
3. Enosis is a Turkish fixed position? So why is it a Greek word? You're saying that Greeks never had this position? There are some Greek singers with songs like "Cyprus is Greek" that might disagree with you.
3. I'm not extremely for Turkey, I'm extremely against your rather extreme racism against Turks. I of course think the Turkish state should be torn down, but you know, I think all states should, so I don't see it as productive to insult Turks specfically. I only see it as useful to insult America and Israel because I have a fair amount of guilt over those as an American Jew and America is a global power.
4. I don't support Kemalism. I think M.K.Atatolian did a lot of great things, like many other leaders (Tito, Venizelos, Sun Yat-Sen, Lenin, Arafat, Ben Gurion OH SHIT) and like all those other leaders I just listed, I think a cult of personality has stripped the people of any context from which they can judge their views objectively. As previously mentioned, I support the eventual destruction of all states to be replaced with Anarcho-Syndicalism, which apparently is standard Kemalism in your world.

Anything else?

PS: If Atatolian was indeed an Anarcho-Syndicalist, I will have even more respect for him, but I think he was some kind of nationalist or something like that. Does anyone know?

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3. Enosis is a Turkish fixed position? So why is it a Greek word? You're saying that Greeks never had this position? There are some Greek singers with songs like "Cyprus is Greek" that might disagree with you.

yeah thats right...we got them on both sides...in turkish it's called taksim....in greek it's called enosis...

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3. I'm not extremely for Turkey, I'm extremely against your rather extreme racism against Turks.

so coz you have a beef with niki, you found it with in yourself to insult every greek man, woman and child via your sig, huh?

and stop counting the thumb twice... greekturkish/lol.gif


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November 08, 2009 10:44 am
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QUOTE (yahudidevriyesi @ November 08, 2009 09:37 am)
More important is the question "How would a real American Christian even know how to read?"

And who would write that:
only a Turkish Jew defending Turkishness like a cowardly Yahud, while Turks insult every minority group, call them traitors, unclean, gavur, kopek

But do not worry I have lots of books I do not need. Since you like so much these primordial Turks, I can give you some books which they can use to prop up their uneven tables, chairs, since certainly a good muslim Turk will never be caught reading unless it is the unholy Koran or Nutuk of the neo-prophet.



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Greek Foreign Minister George Papandreou was the only person who defended Ankara in the European Union (EU) meeting in which the situation of prisons in Turkey was discussed. Papandreou said that Turkey is experiencing difficult days and suggested that they should not criticize Turkey so much.

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Η ιδεοληπτική και ορθοτομούσα Αριστερά, που απέκλεισε τον «εθνίκι» Σταυρόπουλο, προσλαμβάνει επιλεκτικά τον Διαφωτισμό· αφαιρεί τον ριζοσπαστικό εθνικισμό, τον προοδευτικό πατριωτισμό, κρατάει το διεθνισμό της σοβιετοκίνητης Κομιντέρν, συγκερασμένο με έναν αφηρημένο κοσμοπολιτισμό, περιέργως τον ίδιο με του υπερεθνικού καπιταλισμού που καταγγέλλει.

QUOTE (Turkish minority forumers expose Turkish ultra-nationalist ethos)

Dirii: "And I have friends who were slapped in the hands with rulers for not saying that they are happy to be Turks in the classrooms..."
Laz Vegaz: "You turks, have problem with opinions. Your grow up with this inhuman system called Kemalism. And if not, than youre a Islamist."
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November 08, 2009 10:45 am
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I care because Greek music is beautiful. Not because of my Kurdish lover who lives in Smyrna.


this is puzzling...you said your girlfriend was turkish...now she is kurdish...

but there is something else that puzzles me, can't put my finger on it yet...I will get to it soon don't worry...

one thing is for sure...it's extremely hard to keep coming up with lies upon lies coz sooner or later you gonna forget what lie you told... greekturkish/sneaky.gif

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November 08, 2009 11:12 am
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Forums' Greeks to only Jew: "You are a liar."

Including from one Greek who asserts that attacking what he asserts to be the representative of Jews (Israel) is pure anti-semitism. (I prefer the word "Judeophobia".) I am the only representative of Jews on here.

Congrats Greeks. By one of your own's twisted logic, you now collectively hate the Jews.

Now you can say "But Nikephoros doesn't represent us" But then the rest of us need to see you distance yourselves from his thinking, just as everyone demands Jews distance ourselves from Zionism and you all demand the Turks distance themselves from Turkish nationalism.

It IS the same. Death to the nation states, Turkish and Greek.

You will not see more posts from me.

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a classic reply playing the victim...I don't want to streotype the jews but is this normal jewish behaviour playing the victim?...especially from someone that condemns a brutality but embraces the aftermath?...or hasn't got a clue of what he is posting?

I am really surpised the holocaust didn't come into this...really suprised...

as I said before in my time in the old and this new forum, i have seen many idiots come and go...major reason, can't keep up with their lies...the ones that make it are the moderates...with the exception of nikiforoula....


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November 08, 2009 11:20 am
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QUOTE (yahudidevriyesi @ November 08, 2009 07:14 pm)
The "fuck your mother" I will accept a warning for, it was in retribution for commenting about my woman.

I will make it clear again that I even accept a ban. I've said my peace. I don't see debate on here, I see the left needlessly kissing the ass of Greece, a country that seems unable to cast off its own nationalist pretensions even down to the last citizen. Oh, and its little brother Cyprus, who can't even write their own anthem but then complain when we accuse them of Enosis.

grunt...grunt...your woman?...and how much have you paid for you woman if you don't mind me asking...grunt...grunt...I mean how many goats is she worth?...grunt...grunt...


and what exactly did I say about your, grunt, grunt, woman...grunt, grunt...


as for the rest...no need for a ban...

westy let it ride......no offence by me...

PS...the fuck your mother, coming from an anglo saxon culture doesn't mean much...which lends more credit to what nikki the fuckwit said all along...the fuck your mother is copyrighted to greeks and turks and a couple of other surrounding countries...

so the question how would an american jew come out with something like this as insult is beyond me...


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November 08, 2009 12:49 pm
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You've both been warned. Now let's continue this debate without fuck-you-mother's or jewball's.






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QUOTE (yahudidevriyesi @ November 08, 2009 08:06 am)
And westerort:


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QUOTE (westerort @ November 08, 2009 10:49 pm)
You've both been warned. Now let's continue this debate without fuck-you-mother's or jewball's.

I strongly object to my warning level rising by 10%...since the only crime was name calling a member jewball and him responding fuck your mum...I demand my warning levels dropped by 10%...the two crimes are way apart and my punishment as I have proven, jewball is not a racist remark...you only say it's racist but you can't back it up...I backed mine up via a dictionary...see below, yet again...so it came down to you and your interpretation...not good enough...try again...

here is your chance to prove once and for all jewball is a racist remark...your innuendos and how you interpret it does not count...I want to see a dictionary entry...and I explained to you from where I come from it's not a racist remark, along with nip and pom...

waiting for your proof westy...do not disappoint me by letting yourself down...PROOF of jewball is a racist remark...

definition of jewball...

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1.  Jewball
Someone who exhibits extreme Jewish behavior. That one Jewish person who is always talking about temple and the torah.
Ben is such a jewball.
jew jewish star ben jewdism.
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2.  jewball
The act of leeching off of others, like a parasite, or a jew. Verb.
(jewballs): A future tense of jewball.
(jewballed): A past tense of jewball.
(jewballing): A current tense of jewball.
(jewballer): One who jewballs others.

"Lets see if he has money, just in case he tries to jewball us".

"Sorry guys I cant pay, I dont have any money" said Isaac. "Godamn jewballer" said Bob.

"Could you spot me ten dollars man?" said Isaac. "Ughh, alright" said Bob. "Wow he jewballed you hard" said the cashier.

The burglar was jewballing the owner of that car.

"Dont invite Isaac. What if he jewballs us again?!"

3.  jewball
a less intense version of any of the following...
baseball
basketball
football
etc.
the boys were playing jewball at jordan's house.

definition of jewball


and now for westy's definition

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waiting for westy's proof


PS..bringing black, red, green and blue monkeys sitting on a porch into this debate ain't going to cut it...


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November 08, 2009 02:08 pm
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Let's continue with the discussion. Boom, I have addressed your concerns in the Off Topic Section.

I respectfully ask the rest of the posters to keep this on topic; let's have a good debate in here.

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QUOTE (westerort @ November 09, 2009 12:08 am)
Let's continue with the discussion. Boom, I have addressed your concerns in the Off Topic Section.

I respectfully ask the rest of the posters to keep this on topic; let's have a good debate in here.

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have you pushed deleted instead of add reply by any chance, coz I can't see your reply anywhere here...

I say here coz this is where you gave me a 10%...

whats there to reply?...to the bullshit of you equating calling someone a jeaball as racism, without proof to fuck your mum?...i do not think so buddy...


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QUOTE (yahudidevriyesi @ November 08, 2009 07:42 am)
And in your broken English, I see you conveniently "omitted" to answer my question. How does it make me racist to object to being called a "Jewball"? How?

You want some racism? How's this...

Nikephoros accuses me of being a liar and always taking the Turkish side. If I appear to take the Turkish side, here's why:

Turks are better people than Greeks. Greeks are a bunch of eurotrash rightists and the Turks at least are able to display to me a dynamic society. I joined this forum because I'm one of those horrible idealist fuckers who thinks we're all the same. But clearly we're not. Greece is worse than the US or Turkey, it's like China. I don't like any of those states because they're all fascists, but at least Turkey and the US have shown they can produce some reaction against it. All Greece has shown me it can produce:

1. The same culture as Turkey. (I can get that in Turkey!)
2. Cheerleaders for the state. (I can get that ANYWHERE)
3. Some shitty island to the south that can't even defend itself from Turkey and needed the UK's help to keep the Turks from taking the whole island.
4. An EU state actually less useful to the world than Italy.

Now you can call me a racist. Tolerating Greeks, Rums, Hellenic peoples, Cypriots: I quit.

This isn't about Macedonia. This isn't about boomerang. This is about everything. I've been on here ages and Greece has pretty much shown it only has the capacity to take Greece's side on any given issue. The most revolutionary statement a Greek has made on here is that Macedonians were persecuted, but that they were enemies in the civil war, so they deserved it and therefore they should shut up about it. They're the ones at fault today.

You know who that reminds me of? How Turks talk about Armenians. But we've got Turks on here arguing about the Armenian issue. Look up there and you've got a Turk defending the Armenians.

I pray for the day when Greece is as willing to question itself as Turkey is.

You Greeks, your minds are as empty as your history. Having a lot of men in robes fucking each other 4000 years ago doesn't mean anyone has to respect you. No one respects America and we run the world today. You know why? Because we're bullshit. And so are you, and so are the Turks.

What was it? "There's two possibilities, either we're all Animal Farm brainwashed or we're right". I think it's the former. Greece sucks. All the countries suck. And you must be pretty brainwashed because not one of you ever seems to have found any point on which Greece might suck. Name me a country and I'll complain about it. Now name me a Greek currently posting who has one criticism of its country other than "We work too hard to appease the Turks when we should be getting our Cyprus and islands back."

G-d I sound like Nikephoros! "I know how horrible Turks are because I talk to them on forums."

You are way over generalising here.

In the history of this forum, I have lost count how many Greeks have been accused of being traitors by other Greeks.

I also think you are quite mistaken if you think Boom or Rawshark are "Greek nationalists". They don't like you, that's pretty clear, but I do not think it is based on their nationalism.

There is a wide variety of Greek posters here how regularly challenge Greece, Greek policy, condemn nationalism and are open for debate.

There are also a number of Turkish posters who are just as open for discussion.

There is also a section from both sides who are clearly nationalists, and adopt their positions based on their 'own side's perspective' and have zero objectivity. To me all those posters also have zero credibility, it is like trying to objectively discuss religion with a religious zealot.

I will say this though, in my time on this forum, I have to say that the Turkish side has shown the most 'nationalist' posters, and it took a long time for people like Dome and Westy to lose their "traitor" tags.

I have also been accused of being a traitor a whole host of times. Just look at Nike's posts, and see how the forum's resident ultra-nationalist Greek views the other Greeks here.

Greeks are a pretty nationalistic lot, and have a host of sensitive issues which gets them going, but what you describe in your post is entirely unfair.


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sk he is making assumptions based on his time here.

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In the history of this forum, I have lost count how many Greeks have been accused of being traitors by other Greeks.


how many of those posters remain?

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There is a wide variety of Greek posters here how regularly challenge Greece, Greek policy, condemn nationalism and are open for debate.


like who?

please let us know who these people are(don't even mention the loose screw nikki. that guy is a one-off).


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it took a long time for people like Dome and Westy to lose their "traitor" tags.


westy was never labeled a traitor as far as I know.

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I also think you are quite mistaken if you think Boom or Rawshark are "Greek nationalists"


yeah it is based on the fact that even though yahudi clearly stated his intentions(he hates all bully governments) he doesn't agree with them.

it is because he dared not to have the parallel thinking they have on the touchy subject of cyprus.

there was no other reason.

check back on other threads and see the main reason why even boom came back.


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hi emre.

are you gone for good from the forum?

Yeah mate,

Don't have much to say anymore really...
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QUOTE (BLISTANBUL @ November 08, 2009 09:12 pm)



like who?

Top of my head from the present posters: me, Evro, Mickey, Mythos, Razor, Los and Afro have been called 'traitors' at some point.

May I also add that Rawshark and Boomer are a million miles away from being Greek nationalists, and have been involved in massive bust-ups with "Greek nationalists" on a regular basis.

Hell, I bet Raw and Boomer are the two "Greeks" who Nike most hates.



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Ώ ξείν’, Αγγέλλειν Λακεδαιμονίοις ότι τήδε κείμεθα, τοίς κείνων ρήμασι πειθόμενοι.


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Race after all is made up. Its yet another tool humans use to create separatism. We always look for differences amongst each other rather than similarities.


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QUOTE (Spartan King @ November 08, 2009 09:51 pm)
Greeks are a pretty nationalistic lot, and have a host of sensitive issues which gets them going, but what you describe in your post is entirely unfair.

Exactly. The irony is that moderates like us are branded as fascists and nationalists by the far left and traitors and Turkophiles by the far right.

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The most revolutionary statement a Greek has made on here is that Macedonians were persecuted, but that they were enemies in the civil war, so they deserved it and therefore they should shut up about it. They're the ones at fault today.


That's ridiculous. I never said they deserved, I said that when you are a part of an effort to detach a part of a state, you can't really except that the state will place you above suspicion. Besides, you are applying modern morals to an era where even the US had blatant antisemetism and racism was rampant. In neighbouring nations, Greeks were killed and attacked but in Greece those minorities never faced anything more than restrictions. Was it right? Of course not, but context seems to fly right through you. All you care is that Turks have a dynamic society. That kills armenian journalists, catholic priests, buys Mein Kampf and films Valley of the Wolves. You are far from impartial mate.

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And you must be pretty brainwashed because not one of you ever seems to have found any point on which Greece might suck.


You HAVE to come to Greece. Go out in the street and ask anyone if Greece (as a state, not as a place) sucks. I guarantee that over 80% will say it sucks. We are one of the most self-hating and self-loving people on the planet.


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