US Armenians hope for failure of Ankara-Yerevan de, We Are All Armenians....righttttttttt!

Tuesday, November 3, 2009
ÜMİT ENGİNSOY
ANKARA - Hürriyet Daily News
American-Armenians and their congressional backers are keen on the ‘genocide’ recognition, not the creation of normalized ties between Turkey and Armenia, diplomats and experts say. Armenians will try to persuade the world that it's the Turks that stopped the process, an expert argue

Armenian-Americans and their backers in Congress are hoping for the collapse of a normalization deal between Turkey and Armenia so they can continue to lobby for U.S. recognition of what they term the "Armenian genocide," diplomats and analysts said.

The Turkish and Armenian foreign ministers signed historic protocols on Oct. 10 that called for the creation of normal diplomatic relations between the two neighbors and the reopening of their shared land border. Their parliaments must first ratify the deal before the provisions go into effect.

Before reopening the land border, which has remained closed for 16 years, Turkey wants to see some progress toward the resolution of the Nagorno-Karabakh problem between Armenia and Azerbaijan, Ankara's close ally.

Nagorno-Karabakh, a mainly Armenian-populated enclave inside Azerbaijan’s borders, has been under Armenian occupation since a war in the early 1990s.

Reopening border key matter

Yerevan, however, seeks to keep the normalization deal with Turkey and the Nagorno-Karabakh issue as completely separate processes, urging Turkey to reopen the border as soon as possible. Diaspora Armenians, meanwhile, also staunchly oppose any concessions on Karabakh.

But without progress on the Karabakh matter, it will be extremely difficult for Ankara to move to reopen the border. "If there's no progress on Karabakh, Turkey simply can't reopen the border with Armenia, which will effectively mean that the reconciliation process will have failed," one Washington-based analyst said. "If this happens, it will be important to see which side will be blamed for the derailed process. The Armenians will try to persuade the world that it's the Turks that stopped the process."

In that case, U.S. Armenians and their backers in Congress will seek to punish Turkey in Congress, the analyst said.

Armenian efforts in Congress

A resolution urging the United States to recognize the World War I-era killings of Armenians in the Ottoman Empire as genocide has been pending in the House of Representatives, Congress' lower chamber, since February.

Democratic Senator Robert Menendez and Republican Senator John Ensign introduced a similar resolution in the Senate, Congress' upper chamber, last month.

"Pro-Armenian lawmakers in both sides of Congress will step up efforts for genocide recognition in the event of the collapse of the Ankara-Yerevan deal," said the analyst.

"Any formal U.S. genocide recognition would kill the normalization process," one Turkish diplomat said.

But U.S. Armenians and their congressional backers are keen on genocide recognition, not the creation of normalized Ankara-Yerevan ties," said the analyst.

"So there's a major trap jeopardizing the reconciliation process, and that trap can be prevented only if there's progress on the solution of the Nagorno-Karabakh dispute," the analyst said.

Source: http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=u...deal-2009-11-03

Fuck the american armenian diaspora. Fuck them. And fuck them again.

Westy, now, now now. Remember we are ALL armenians...

...just sayin'


Where Katas when you need an opinion from him?

Sarkisyan was practically destroyed by diaspora Armenians everywhere he went last month. So this is nothing new, and also, who gives a flying fuck what the diaspora does? If they care about this so much, they should try spending a month or so in Armenia before yelling out like monkeys about Armenian foreign policy.


I think it'd be best if diaspora Armenians and Turks shut their mouths for good about Armenia and Turkey.

...just sayin'.

So you're saying I have no right to voice my opinion about Turkish / armo relations since I live in the diaspora for now? Can you explain to me why?

...just askin'

I'm not talking about your "right" to do anything. What I wrote is pretty clear and doesn't require anyone to put any spin on it.

No, it's not clear. Expand on your opinion as to why the respective diasporas should shut their mouths about it. You simply said that we need to shut our collective mouths but didn't didn't cite any reasons why we should. What spin are you talking about?

Because the diasporas don't have any immediate stakes on this matter, and they should leave the decisions to people who actually do.

That aside, let me clarify a little bit of the subtext here. Let me ask you, why do you seem to be itching to get into a new confrontation with me? You have been throwing unprovoked lashes at me under many threads, and for no apparent reason since you started posting again.

I am telling you right now, and nicely: If that's what you are after, I have better things to do with my time, and I am not interested.

sorry but when the other one died i didnt even feel myself armenian, not even 1%
Armenians r liar, brainwashed, attention whores
Not only turks dislike em
Azeri nd Georgians do hate em too .

I preefer to be a citizen of Hell instead of being an armenian sneak

And they dunno what's a dialogue bcuz they r stubborn, they will start to critize a whole nation for their "genocide" with their wet eyes and for vacation they fly in Van and tell they love Van and Its an armenian town etc..

I ALWAYS SAID THAT THE GREEK WASNT THE ENNEMY
BUT
THE ARMENIAN IS A TRUE ONE

This post has been edited by artist on November 04, 2009 12:42 am

Azeris hate Armenians?Shit, that was totally new to me.

You should be more specific and say "most of those in the armo diaspora" because most of those in the armo diaspora do not have a direct stake in the matter because most have about a zero tie to armenia because armenia is a brand new entity, no? Not so with the Turkish diaspora.

I do not have numbers to back up the following statement but I would venture to guess that at least 50% of the Turkish diaspora have solid ties and taxable investments in Turkey. Moreover, we travel to Turkey and visit our "stakes" on a regular basis. If anyone should shut their mouth it is the armo diaspora.

You're reading too much into the non existent subtext here. Those "lashes" you've been fielding are nothing but inane banter. If I really didn't like you at all you would be ignored and rendered persona non grata (sorry no hyperlink)

Thanks for being polite. Did you ever consider that I actually wanted your opinion on the matter in place of cruising for a confrontation.

Please continue....

lol really or r you doing your pinocchio??

Sure they do,do you know howmany azeris died bcuz of em, they burned their mosques, raped their woman, killed their kids and when they across an azeri they tell it with a big smile like the morons they r

This post has been edited by artist on November 04, 2009 01:03 am

Actually, I frankly didn't think that. And let's be honest, it wouldn't be the rational presumption on my part, would it?

Anyway, thanks for the correction.

You (and anyone else for that matter) should know that I don't come here to make enemies, but I do to make friends. Also, I don't care whether the friends I make are leftists, nationalists, anarchists, communists, islamists, or whatever other -ists, as long as they have the same attitude.

Okay then...let's look forward to a good future. But I still think you were the one who clicked on "Writhe Kaya" in my poll.

..or duke.

I agree with Katastrof. It's not the same to say anyone not in the country has no "right" to talk about it, more that it's worth noting that Armenian Americans have almost no concept of Armenia itself, only a longstanding hatred for Turks that they feel qualifies them to comment on Armenian/Turkish relations. It's a lot like how most American Jews have never been to the West Bank but feel they can decide what's morally right in dealing with Palestinians.

But I want to note here that I am an American Jew, and there are many like me, who don't back up the IDF despite having not been to the occupied territories ourselves.

I would also like to note that OF the American Jews I've met who have visited the occupied territories, only one was able to defend any element of how the medina be rollin' over there... So it does seem like mandatory visits to the occupied territories would help shape American Jewish opinion in a more, shall we say, "progressive" fashion.

So... Let's not judge all the American Armos. Let's invite them to this forum and invite them to Turkey.

Didn't some American Armo lady make a film about a bunch of American Armo kids who made a visit to Eastern Turkey?

"I agree with Katastrof. "

Damn anarchist.

That's right mate, you're surrounded.

"Anarchists on all sides." Can that be the name of our record label? You know, our jihadist record label?

I'll change it soon. Get a flack jacket. Anywho...I'm sleepy. See ya'll manana.

Shit, yahud. You piqued my attention. Perhaps we should start a record label. Good idea. I'll pitch in some cash. I bet Boom would too.

Nope, I voted that you deserve the 50%. Actually, if it was up to me, I'd keep you at a constant and permanent 90% .

...you're as cold as dry ice...sniff

A fanatic, warlike state like Turkey will probably demand as a condition for "peace a la Turka" and the opening of borders:
1) Possible Minimal Turkish stipulation: for Armenia to publicly deny the Armenian genocide(and put pressure on the diaspora for the same) and close that issue forever
2) Possible Maximal Turkish stipulation: give up Artsakh to Azerbaijan, in addition to the minimal stipulation

When Turks say “peace” the intention behind their words are mated to a hostile, uneven relationship in the form of master-slave and abuser(Turks)-abused(non-Turks). To ever think the borders can be opened with no humiliating stipulations demanded from the Turkish side(that would border on something close to capitulations expected from the losing side in a war) is the actual unreasonable attitude not the Armenian diaspora attitude.

@Cowardly Yahud:
I can see why the Turks use that phrase for Turkish Jews...
Do you expect people to actually believe that you are just dating a Turk? Since when do people date some other nationality and all of sudden adopt all that nationalities views on Armenians(good conquered pet Armenians living in a precarious situation as minorities of genocidal Turks, but the diaspora Armenians are of course the real bad guys since they so "anti-Turk"), the Vardar Republic(views which mirror Turkish forumers once again). It seems you are way to attached to Turkey, Turkish ethos and views to be merely someone dating a Turk. Your views are more inline with a cowardly conquered and inferior Yahud trying to prove your worth to Turks, even though non-muslim minorities can never fully be accepted.

This post has been edited by Nikephoros on November 07, 2009 09:40 pm

Yahud is one of the most vocal critics of Turkey on this board. He just doesn't share the same discontent on a personal level,like you do. Which makes him a cool guy and you an asshole.

Westy...there is your first ban victim.

X2.

x3

Nike adds flame, but he doesn't blatantly violate board rules. There's nothing stipulated that prevents you from being an asshole.

Good. Can I tell him to fuck himself then?