Turkish Greek gets Atatürk's signature, Fedon, Ataturk tattooed on his forearm

Turkish video clip here: http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/magazin/haber/1...596.asp?gid=222

Poor Fedon feels the need to prove his loyalty in pathetic ways like all besieged minorities with the misfortune to live amongst the aggressive, fanatic, intolerant Islamo-Kemalists who form the bulk of the Turkish population.

For contrast these are Turks in Greece (posted by another WAFF Turk NirvanaBlue):




This post has been edited by Nikephoros on September 21, 2009 02:33 am

I love Fedon's music, but he seems too nationalistic for my taste. Had no idea that he was such a flag waver.

His ethnicity is irrelevant, piglet, but to you everything is a symptom of what you understand and the rest of us cannot possibly comprehend. At least he and everyone knows of his heritage, so you can't bash on him for being brain washed into believing he's a Turk. He has obviously chosen his loyalties. But what Greek in his right mind would choose Turkey?

Yes, what Greek indeed?

Is it possible that the ultra-violent-Kemalist initiative to create a homogeneous society of sunni mohammedan pseudo Turks has failed to convince this person he is thus, and STILL succeeded in winning him over? Wow. From an ultra-simplistic and uber-idiotic point of view on Turkey, Fedon cannot exist at all. Is it possible that your piglet mind has overlooked aspects of a country a piglet such as yourself couldn't possibly comprehend?


Evet, öyle olmasi lazim.

This is exactly what I mean with an outsider's arrogance. No evidence. Not even a hint of objectivity and there's even room for a baseless geopolitical analysis in the end. Quite the prodigy of Rupert Murdoch.

You did not KNOW minorities in Turkey are forced to prove their Turkishness constantly or you and other Turks just fail to TELL US the truth on this and many other issues?

Here are some posts of a poster on this forum descended from Istanbul Greeks, but born and raised in Athens, exhibiting the same "Fedon formula" but not in pictures, he displays his Turkishness in words:

The gist: many Greek forumers(and I could go on with more examples because there are more!), including as I recall me, thought he was some leftist Turk! But he was born in Athens...

Or here is some other data Turks do not like, such as how many of their fellow diaspora countrymen posting here self-admit to taking wives from Turkey despite living abroad for years and years. For Turks, things are a one-way street where benefit only accrues to them with no concept of reciprocation. When in Turkey, internal minorities must prove rabid Turkishness 24/7, but when abroad Turks export Turkishness and in Germany maintain 2nd and now even 3rd generation Turkishness enclaves.

Turks would not react smoothly to Turks in Germany wearing German flag t-shirts, a German flag or Cross ear-ring, holding German flag banners, marching with people holding banners saying, "How happy am I to be called German," with Bismarck's signature tattooed on their wrist(mind you this is all the same guy with so many symbols of overt Turkish nationalism trying to prove in the most pathetic ways his Turkishness)!!!!!!!! All just to attempt to fit in and be accepted into an ultra-nationalist, racistic society(the Turkish, not the German which is largely leftish and politically correct) where they will never be accepted. Infact Turks would be howling mad like the mythical Asena of Turanist myth, if they had to endure such humiliations themselves.

Or here is another Greek Istanbulite, Neo-Ottoman:

So this Neo-Ottoman:
"Turkey is his home country"
Where Prime Ministers threaten: "Events like those on Sept. 6 and 7 may transpire again.”"

So this Millas spineless jellyfish:
"did not want to go to Greece because a military junta was in power"
But he has no problem to:
"I went to ... Qatar, Bahrain, Saudi Arabia and Indonesia for more than 10 years"

Not every Greek is as Sarris says:
"... still scared and he wants to propitiate those who chased him away from his native land."


This post has been edited by Nikephoros on September 21, 2009 08:02 pm

Since polites couldn't have been subject to the same peer-pressure you claim Fedon was subject to, I would have to conclude that his alleged "Turkishness" is a textbook example of peer expulsion from one's own identity. It is obvious that you and any other pig would deny him the pleasure of his "Greekness", as this would destroy the pure and homogeneous identity your unevolved brain has hallucinated for yourself.

The fascist pig, for obvious reasons, dislikes the voice of reason from "his own" far more than he hates the "other". I have been called a "non-Turk" here many times over, so it's not surprising that polites, being a much more open-minded, skeptical, and knowledgeable person than I could ever dream to be, couldn't convince people like you that he is Greek.

What is surprising (and still is, after having been subjected to the grandiose idiocy of Nike) is that someone would be stupid enough to think that the polites-case, is somehow supporting evidence for the Fedon-case, while it is nothing but a testament to the rotten backward darkness you and your kind, Nike, preach day and night.

Polites, posted and wrote exacly what any Turkish leftist would write to a T and an I, further for his location he listed Istanbul on his profile, so it is not "homogeneous identity" or anything to assume such a poster was a Turk(as many Greek forumers here did assume of him). Further he was a ridiculous, a-historical, unread person. All he did was act like he made a righteous crusade against Greek nationalism(never from arguments or sources mind you) by embracing the much more virulent Turkish one(along with other neighboring nationalisms) which as the photo evidence exemplifies compels non-Turks to high kitsch only to still be a despised gavur at the end of the day.

For reference here is the behavior of someone representing Turkey and Turkishness in the USA where I and many Turks posting here live(like katastrof) through the ATAA(Assembly of Turkish American Associations, really it is a Turkish government front not an indigenous ethnic lobby, See this writeup of Savvas Kalenteridis at Ινφογνώμων Πολιτικά. ):

For reference this is Speedy Gonzalez a character from the Warner Brothers Looney Tunes that runs fast and has a farcical Mexican accent:


He made such repeated insults because Gustavo Arellano, a Mexican-American uncovered Turkish money influencing election results to defeat a pro-Armenian genocide resolution candidate:

It seems the Turks have even exported to their far abroad, the characteristic rabid guardians of Turkishness...
Imagine a country full of in its majority of these KIRLIKOVALI's and one can understand. What Fedon has to do to survive in the Turkish limelight, or Polites to appease the Turks who chased away his family.

This post has been edited by Nikephoros on September 21, 2009 09:29 pm

wtf is that !!! no 1 in Turkey must proove his her turkishness what da hell nah seriously, Turkey is not a nazi country, my dad side is georgian and dont worry when my great grand father came inTurkey no1 asked him a proof of his Turkish fanatizm, when borned or u grow up or live in Turkey , u're a Turk!! thats all, no matter your name and roots no need to proove something, if it comes from his heart, dont worry Niko, its not a pathetic proof to save his ass from the evil turks.

This post has been edited by artist on September 23, 2009 08:31 pm

[QUOTE=Nikephoros,September 21, 2009 01:04 am]

Turkish video clip here: http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/magazin/haber/1...596.asp?gid=222
[QUOTE]

Thanks for the pictures nikkiorosporus.


See even useless racist arsehole nikkiorosporus can be worth something at times.

I do wish that Fedon forearms and signs that to your fat forehead you cunt.

Then only then you can truly show your true love .

Pointless thread.

I have friends born and bred in the UK who have Greek tattoos. I doubt any Greek in the UK would get a Union Jack tattoo, or an English Bulldog tattoo.

I really do like that tat though SK.


Cool as hell.



However you are right.


Doesn't really prove jackshit.

Fedon is just a confused guy who made loads of money by singing crappy songs. He did an Ataturk tattoo on his arm with his own will. So what?

Besides, Mustafa Kemal is of course not a semi-god but also not an evil figure for most of the polites. And since i share a house with one of them, please let me know a little bit more than a greek american zealot on this subject.

And Polites in the forum is born and breed in Athens, studied in London's and the world's best schools and currently residing in Istanbul. He is very well known and appreciated nearly by the members of the greek society in Istanbul.

Edit: take 2- let's say my experience with Istanbul's Greeks differed from that of Polites's.



This post has been edited by optimaton on November 02, 2009 08:49 am

edit:

Coming back to the Fedon case, he and his cheap taverna music has long been forgotten, and he's probably trying to get attention by playing into the minds of our "ulusalci"s.

This post has been edited by katastrof on November 02, 2009 08:58 pm

Tsk tsk Katas,

I personally like Fedon. Don't be such a musical snob. If he wants to get Ataturk's sig tattooed on his forearm, let him. Turkey is a free country and it's a capitalist country. He has the right to revive his career, no? He has also contributed immensely to the Turkish plate manufacturing sector. Do you know how many plates he goes through during a performance?

Kai Katastrofi, and I see you're still the same condescending...anyway, I was responding to something that had been posted previously.

I edited my post to something more neutral as it was too confrontational even for me.

OK Kayak, point taken.

Of course he can do whatever he wants with his forearm. Who said anything about not letting him do it?

This quote of yours, I'll hold on to for future reference. I have a suspicion you'll need to be reminded of it in the future :

Thanks a lot for that . I hope you are not snob enough to decide the limits to Turkish freedoms yourself. Or are you?


P.S: Fedon sucks. If he wants to revive his career, he should do it by writing new and better songs. But of course, de gustibus non est disputandum.

Herkes biliyorki Türkiye özgür bir ülkedir, ama resmi dil TÜRKÇE'dir. Senin Kürtçen konuşmak istiyorsan Irak'a geri gidebilirsin, bira-yê min.

Katas

I have no problem with "de gustibus non est" but I think you have a problem with Fedon not because his music "sucks" but rather that he is proud Turk who happens to be of Greek origins. Fedon has always been proud to reside in Turkey and genuinely loves the country and may actually be a nationalist. Something that simply does not compute with leftos like yourself.



"This quote of yours, I'll hold on to for future reference. I have a suspicion you'll need to be reminded of it in the future"

Of course, you may remind all you want. Turkey is a free country for Turks and friends of Turks.


"I hope you are not snob enough to decide the limits to Turkish freedoms yourself. Or are you?"


Yes I am and I am not alone.

I just listened to Fedon. It is kind of hard to get past how he sucks, nationalism or no nationalism.

I generally allow that there is a line before which nationalism is not and after which nationalism is a destructive force. I think I make statements on a fairly regular basis which are overtly nationalist. The problem is that usually one person's nationalism crushes an other's. For example, in Georgia, I think any reasonable observer would say that Georgians have a right to express pride in Georgianness as a unique identity in the world and seek to preserve what's important to them. On the other hand, they're a nation-state, and I've heard firsthand from Laz people in Georgia that they feel their Osmanlılık/Müslümanlık/Lazlık is received poorly by the state and as a result, their neighbours. There are a whole lot of Ossets and Abkhaz who would likewise assert Georgian nationalism has gone too far to be tolerable in its current incarnation to minorities. And there are a lot of dead folks in Russia who would agree Russian nationalism is going too far as well. And I'm sure there are many Georgians who used to live in S. Ossetia and Abkhazia who also feel that Abkhaz and Osset nationalism has hurt them in some way because they fail to fit within one or the other national identity or view of history.

So I guess how this relates back here is that Fedon's nationalism, whatever you think about it, is sort of a litmus test for the Greek state's mental health. The fact that the Turkish state has had a problem of tolerating non-Turkish nationalisms within the Turkish nation-state is a point of frequent contention from minorities. (Something I won't discuss too much lest Nikephoros show up and start screaming in all of our faces about dhimmi or some shit.) Similarly, if Turks/Pomaks/Macedonians (OH SHIT!) don't have a right to express their national identity within the Greek nation-state, then Greek nationalism is the problem. So however crazy Fedon might be, be glad you have him. Ain't no Greek equivalent of Fedon running around İstanbul.

So far as I know. Feel free to correct me on that.

No, I just dislike his music.

Abi come on. You have a good taste of music. Fedon and his songs and his ultra tanned skin sucks.

If you want to listen good greek music in Istanbul, try Buzuki Orhan.

The original classic by Grigoris Bithikotsis:




And a powerful performance by Sotiria Bellou:

Ok, I just found out that Fedon is not in fact, as I thought, a Turk in Greece. He is a half-Greek, half-Armenian in Turkey. This is even less news than I thought it was. I thought what was going on was that Nikephoros was saying "See how these Turks in Greece don't feel attached to Greece!" That would've at least been interesting.

In fact what he's saying is... Frankly I never know what Nikephoros is saying... I thought he was saying something halfway intelligent, but clearly I overestimated him and instead he's basically said... Nothing of any substance. As usual.

I would like to apologise to the rest of the forum for assuming Nikephoros actually said something.

So, with that in mind: Who gives a shit? Why isn't he allowed to get a stupid tattoo of some dead Türk who we all make too big of a deal about anyway?

Another old fart going through a midlife crises. Some people just can't age with grace can they.

lolol

That quote is in Latin. Where do I go if I want to speak Latin, eh?

Oh, I remember the "others" in lost spoke latin. So you can say: this is Turkey, if you want to speak latin, get out and go to that weird island!!!

Latin is a dialect of Kurdish. "Lost" is a Kurdish nationalist programme. Stop harming the unity of the Turkish state already!