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Evropeos	February 07, 2007 01:09 pm
Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 4877 Member No.: 12 Joined: December 18, 2006	Popular Lithography 1922 From left to right Top: G. Kondilis, N.Plastiras, T. Pangalos Down: A. Hatzikyriakos , S. Gonatas, A. Othonaios Farfara(music band) of Iconio 1922 IX Division.Greek soldiers and Turks playing together in Kara Pinar 12-05-1922 IX Division.Ottomans praying freely 16-05-1922 IX Division.Greeks and Ottomas watching an open air theatrical perfomance. IX Division.Provision with food of poor Ottomans by the Greek Army, Kara Pinar Greek soldiers IX Division.Playing Football at the front.Military Sports Games, 12-06-1922 IX Division.Tug of war.Military Sports Games, 12-06-1922 Lieutenant General Papoulas in Proussa, 1922 IX Division attacking in Kale Grotto Battle Dead Greek soldiers lie on the field of battle in Kale Grotto Greek injured soldiers help a Turkish soldier after the battle of Kale Grotto IX Division.A dentist examines Greek and Ottomans Abandoning Nicomedia, endings of 1922 A memorial picture of a platoon of Greek Infantry Reserve Offices in Afion Karahissar, 22-06-1922.They all died defending El Eren(Sli Veran) on 17-08-1922 A small boat is sinking in the plattform of Smirni, while thousand terrified people run for their lives, September 1922 September 1922.Refugees of Smyrna caught between the fire and the sea trying to get away.Evacuation of Smyrna by the Greek population The end of the Ionian capital, September 1922 Greek Officers arriving at Piraeus port after the war Agia Sofia,Constantinoupolis, 1922. source This post has been edited by Evropeos on February 07, 2007 01:43 pm --------------------

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Great photos Evropeos. Thanks for sharing greekturkish/tiphat.gif

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Üç arkadaş var. Bu üç arkadaş bir yaz günü yaya olarak yolculuk yapmak zorunda kalıyorlar. Biri Türk, biri Kürt, diğeri de Ermeni. Ama Ermeni olan aynı zamanda papaz. Sıcak, bir süre sonra yolda susuyorlar. Etrafta su yok. Bağların olgun zamanı. "iki salkım üzüm yiyelim de ağzımız ıslansın," diye bir bağa giriyorlar. Bağın sahibi bir Türk ama onu görememişler. "Kaç paraysa veririz," diyerek yemeye başlamışlar. Bu sırada bağın sahibi gelmiş. Bakmış üç kişi üzümünü yiyor. Fena bozulmuş ama üç kişiyle de başa çıkamayacağını düşünmüş. Birine bakmış, kıyafetinden Ermeni ve papaz olduğu belli. Diğerine bakmış, konuşmasından Kürt olduğunu anlamış. Üçüncüsü de Türk. Dönmüş Ermeni'ye, "bak bu adam Türk, yesin malımı. benim kanımdandır. Helali hoş olsun. Bu da Kürt'tür, din kardeşimdir. Sen niye yiyorsun benim üzümümü?" demiş. Bu laf, üzerlerine sorumluluk yüklenmeyen Türk ve Kürt'ün hoşuna gitmiş. Adam, papazı bir güzel dövmüş. Kıpırdayacak hal bırakmamış, yere uzatmış. Bağ sahibi biraz sonra Kürt'e dönmüş. "müslümansın da niye sahipsiz bağa giriyorsun. Bu adam benim kanımdan, yediyse afiyet olsun, çünkü o Türk'tür. kardeşimdir," diyerek bir güzel onu da dövmüş ve yere uzatmış. Bu durum Türk'ün hoşuna gitmiş. Biraz sonra Türk'e dönmüş ve "tamam anladık Türk'sün, aynı kandanız, aynı dindeniz ama sahibi olmadan başkasının bağına girilir mi?" diyerek Türk'e de vurmaya başlamış. Türk yumrukla yere yuvarlanınca Kürt'e dönmüş ve "biz," demiş "papazı dövdürmeyecektik".

rembet	February 07, 2007 02:40 pm
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Piyade	February 07, 2007 02:59 pm
Advanced Member Group: Banned Posts: 2199 Member No.: 58 Joined: January 14, 2007	Hahahahahah I love the propoganda. Heeey look evereyone. We are all loving eachother and playing ball. hahahahahahahaahahaha One big happy family. Greeks and Turks -------------------- 5 Stages of Acceptance Denial : The initial stage: "It can't be happening." PIyade is on top of me Anger : "Why ME? It's not fair?!" (either referring to God, oneself, or Piyade perceived, rightly or wrongly, as "responsible") Bargaining : "Just let me stay to post another day Piyade, please" Depression : "I'm so sad, why are you picking on me PIyade?" Acceptance : "It's going to be OK." There is always WAFF

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QUOTE (Piyade @ February 07, 2007 03:59 pm)

One big happy family. Greeks and Turks

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You coo like a hippi sometimes. greekturkish/laugh.gif

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Piyade	February 07, 2007 03:23 pm
Advanced Member Group: Banned Posts: 2199 Member No.: 58 Joined: January 14, 2007	This summer I will be going to Turkey. To demonstrate my love of Greeks, I will go take pictures of the skulls that are discovered today by little farmer kids next to the Sakarya River, remenants of the retreating Greek Army who were cut to pieces by the Turkish Cavalry. I promise to add to the collection. -------------------- 5 Stages of Acceptance Denial : The initial stage: "It can't be happening." PIyade is on top of me Anger : "Why ME? It's not fair?!" (either referring to God, oneself, or Piyade perceived, rightly or wrongly, as "responsible") Bargaining : "Just let me stay to post another day Piyade, please" Depression : "I'm so sad, why are you picking on me PIyade?" Acceptance : "It's going to be OK." There is always WAFF

Piyade	February 07, 2007 03:32 pm
Advanced Member Group: Banned Posts: 2199 Member No.: 58 Joined: January 14, 2007	Actually what I would really like to do is get a metal detector and also see if I can find some Greek Army artifacts, like maybe weapons (probably not, those were collected), or spent casings, or equipment, etc. The problem is, Turkish authorities and Jandarma are extremely weary of people with metal detectors in the wild: They usually suspect Antiquities Smuggling. And last thing I need to do is get arrested for this. BUT, there are evidence of the battle everywhere. Unfortunately last time I was at this place, I had no camera on me, because it was so unexpected. I was driving with a friend of mine and we were talking about history. He said there is a place called the Bloody Hill where a large group of Greek Infantry after the Great Assualt were running. They were intercepted by the Turkish cavalry. Fighting ensued. Lots of Greeks were cut down by the river. Most of them were left or quickly buried in make shift graves. When I was there, a few little farmer kids who lived next to the place showed me what looked like human bones and some rust pieces of metal. Maybe in the future this will be a good archeological dig site. This summer when I go, I will probe a little bit more. But I have to be careful. -------------------- 5 Stages of Acceptance Denial : The initial stage: "It can't be happening." PIyade is on top of me Anger : "Why ME? It's not fair?!" (either referring to God, oneself, or Piyade perceived, rightly or wrongly, as "responsible") Bargaining : "Just let me stay to post another day Piyade, please" Depression : "I'm so sad, why are you picking on me PIyade?" Acceptance : "It's going to be OK." There is always WAFF

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QUOTE (Piyade @ February 07, 2007 02:23 pm)

This summer I will be going to Turkey.

To demonstrate my love of Greeks, I will go take pictures of the skulls that are discovered today by little farmer kids next to the Sakarya River, remenants of the retreating Greek Army who were cut to pieces by the Turkish Cavalry.

I promise to add to the collection.

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Promise us to be carefull and take care yourself.

the skeletons might get alive ......

mavjim75	February 07, 2007 08:29 pm
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QUOTE (Piyade @ February 07, 2007 02:32 pm)

Actually what I would really like to do is get a metal detector and also see if I can find some Greek Army artifacts, like maybe weapons (probably not, those were collected), or spent casings, or equipment, etc. The problem is, Turkish authorities and Jandarma are extremely weary of people with metal detectors in the wild: They usually suspect Antiquities Smuggling. And last thing I need to do is get arrested for this. BUT, there are evidence of the battle everywhere. Unfortunately last time I was at this place, I had no camera on me, because it was so unexpected.

I was driving with a friend of mine and we were talking about history. He said there is a place called the Bloody Hill where a large group of Greek Infantry after the Great Assualt were running. They were intercepted by the Turkish cavalry. Fighting ensued. Lots of Greeks were cut down by the river. Most of them were left or quickly buried in make shift graves. When I was there, a few little farmer kids who lived next to the place showed me what looked like human bones and some rust pieces of metal. Maybe in the future this will be a good archeological dig site. This summer when I go, I will probe a little bit more. But I have to be careful.

Erect a little cross for us mate.

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QUOTE (George @ February 07, 2007 11:04 pm)

Erect a little cross for us mate.

Listen

I have no desire to desecrate the memory of these soldiers.

There are bullet holes in my Grandfathers Gate made by Greek soldiers when they shot at the main door. But I don't have any enmity. Greeks were the enemy and they did what they thought was right.

This I would do only for the forum to share a bit of history. I am sure there are thousands of Turkish bones in Greece. Both sides deserves respect.

Hopefully, we learn that invading neither side solves anything. greekturkish/nixweiss.gif

The solution is we make good peace, spend our money on Tourism and greekturkish/sex.gif

European Tourist Girls

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5 Stages of Acceptance
Denial : The initial stage: "It can't be happening." PIyade is on top of me
Anger : "Why ME? It's not fair?!" (either referring to God, oneself, or Piyade perceived, rightly or wrongly, as "responsible")
Bargaining : "Just let me stay to post another day Piyade, please"
Depression : "I'm so sad, why are you picking on me PIyade?"
Acceptance : "It's going to be OK." There is always WAFF

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OMFG

I totally agree with Piyade.

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καὶ τὸ τῶν Ἑλλήνων ὀνομα πεποίηκε μηκέτι τοῦ γένους ἀλλά τὴς διανοίας δοκείν εἶναι, καὶ μάλλον Ἑλληνας καλείσθαι τῶν τὴς παιδεύσεως τὴς ἡμετέρας ἦ τῶν τὴς κοινής φύσεως μετέχοντας

Ώ ξείν’, Αγγέλλειν Λακεδαιμονίοις ότι τήδε κείμεθα, τοίς κείνων ρήμασι πειθόμενοι.

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Race after all is made up. Its yet another tool humans use to create separatism. We always look for differences amongst each other rather than similarities.

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I totally agree with Piyade.

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QUOTE (Spartan King @ February 07, 2007 11:26 pm)

OMFG

I totally agree with Piyade.

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So there you go folks, beneath that Ork-like exterior their beats a human heart after all. greekturkish/Yes.gif

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I can see them at home evenings. Chaplin squatting grey and nude, atop his chiffonier, swinging his thyroid around his head by his bamboo cane, like a dead rat. Oona in an aquamarine gown, applauding madly from the bathroom.

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QUOTE (optimaton @ February 08, 2007 01:15 pm)

So there you go folks, beneath that Ork-like exterior their beats a human heart after all. greekturkish/Yes.gif

Hey

What are you trying to say?

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QUOTE (Piyade @ February 08, 2007 01:54 pm)

Hey

What are you trying to say?

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That you are a fucking pussy hippy. greekturkish/blissysmile.gif

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QUOTE (George @ February 08, 2007 02:28 pm)

That you are a fucking pussy hippy. greekturkish/blissysmile.gif

Hey like they say

You are what you Eat

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More pics.

Greece in Smyrna.
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Greek Army entering Smyrna May 1919.
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Provision of the Turkish people with food, by the Greek army.
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And a little testimony from a French that happened to be in Smyrna during the insident.

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THE NEW YORK TIMES, MONDAY, OCTOBER 9, 1922.

WOMAN PICTURES SMYRNA HORRORS. Dr. Esther Lovejoy, an eyewitness, tells of terrible scenes on the Quay.

She assails neutrality.

Declares it is a Crime for the World to lack the means to prevent such outrages.

© Copyright 1922. The New York Times Company.

PARIS, Oct. 8, 1922.

An ugly picture of the cruelty of the Turks in forcing the evacuation of Greeks and Armenians from Smyrna is painted by Dr Esther Lovejoy, an eyewitness, who arrived in Paris this morning. Dr. Lovejoy is Chairman of the Executive board of the American Women's Hospitals and President of the Medical Women's International Association. She was in Geneva attending the conference of the latter organization when the Smyrna fire started and was dispatched there immediately by the American Women's Hospitals. Dr. Lovejoy refused to discuss the causes behind the Smyrna trouble, confining herself to depicting the horrors she had actually witnessed.

"I was the first American Red Cross woman in France," she said, "but what I saw there during the Great War seems a love feast beside the horrors of Smyrna. When I arrived at Smyrna there were massed on the quays 250,000 people--wretched, suffering and screaming with women beaten and with their clothes torn off them, families separated and everybody robbed. "Knowing their lives depended on escape before Sept. 30, the crowds remained packed along the water front--so massed that there was no room to lie down. The sanitary conditions were unspeakable. "Three-quarters of the crowd were women and children, and never have I seen so many women carrying children. It seemed that every other woman was an expectant mother. The flight and the conditions brought on many premature births, and on the quay with scarcely room to lie down and without aid most of the children were born. In the five days I was there more than 200 such confinements occurred.

"Even more heartrending were the cries of children who had lost their mothers or mothers who had lost their children. They were herded along through the great guarded enclosure, and there was no turning back for lost ones. Mothers in the strength of madness climbed the steel fences fifteen feet high and in the face of blows from the butts of guns sought the children, who ran about screaming like animals. "The condition in which these people reached the ships causes one to wonder if escape were better than Turkish deportation. Never has there been such systematic robbery. The Turkish soldiers searched and robbed every refugee. Even clothing and shoes of any value were stripped from their bodies. "To rob the men another method was used: men of military age were permit to pass through all the barriers till the last by giving bribes. At the last barrier they were turned back to be deported. The robbery was not only committed by soldiers, but also by officers. I witnessed two flagrant cases committed by officers who would be classed as gentlemen. "On September 28, 1922 the Turks drove the crowds from the quay, where the search lights of the allied warships played on them, into the side streets. All that night the screams of women and girls were heard and it was declared next day that many were taken for slaves. The Smyrna horror is beyond the conception of the imagination and the power of words. It is a crime for which the whole world is responsible in not having through the civilized ages built up some means to prevent such orders as the evacuation of a city and the means with which it was carried out. It is a crime for the world to stand by through a sense of neutrality and permit his outrage against 200,000 women.

"Under the order to remain neutral I saw the launch of an American warship pick up two male refugees who were trying to swim to a merchant ship under the Turkish rifle fire and return them to the hands of the waiting Turk soldiers on the beach of what must have been certain death. And under orders to remain neutral I saw soldiers and officers of all nationalities stand by while Turk soldiers beat with their rifles women trying to reach their children who were crying just beyond the fence."

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Naval units of Great Britain, Italy, France and the United States were present at Smyrna, and anchored but a few hundred yards or nearer from the houses on the quay during the nightmarish events. It is known that some of the victims' arms were chopped off as they tried to climb on board these "neutral ships..."

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Piyade	February 08, 2007 04:18 pm
Advanced Member Group: Banned Posts: 2199 Member No.: 58 Joined: January 14, 2007	Oog George don't be a wanker -------------------- 5 Stages of Acceptance Denial : The initial stage: "It can't be happening." PIyade is on top of me Anger : "Why ME? It's not fair?!" (either referring to God, oneself, or Piyade perceived, rightly or wrongly, as "responsible") Bargaining : "Just let me stay to post another day Piyade, please" Depression : "I'm so sad, why are you picking on me PIyade?" Acceptance : "It's going to be OK." There is always WAFF

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QUOTE (Piyade @ February 08, 2007 03:18 pm)

Oog George don't be a wanker

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Dont take it as a flame man.

I am just posting history. greekturkish/Thumbsup.gif

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QUOTE (George @ February 08, 2007 07:26 pm)

Dont take it as a flame man.

I am just posting history. greekturkish/Thumbsup.gif

No you are being a Wanker.

I took this thread very gently and wasn't my usual self. You post filthy shit like this you piss me off.

Smyrna was cleansed by fire. It was the best thing we did. If i were you, I'd worry more about your SCUBA ARMY than residents of Smyrna.

They all ran away like pack of rats only to drown in the Aegean. Filthy rats.

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mavjim75	February 08, 2007 10:45 pm
Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 132 Member No.: 92 Joined: January 29, 2007	Piyade... After so many years you can easy say: hey we crushed you,we throw you at the sea and so on... But it was at the biography of mustafa kemal from the french G. Mecin which was presented the very rough times you spent back at ankara in front of kale groto.. For 15 minutes if we could hold the attack then ataturk would have ordered retreat... And then he would have gone away from turkey because he would prove incapable once more after kiutahya battle and eski sehir battle...!!!! So dont make easy characterizations... For your luck at that time greece lost at its most critical moment venizelos and all the capable officers which were replaced by inadequate royalists such as papoulas and trikoupis/digenis/kontoulis and others that they where absent from the second and the first world war... And you would say so what? The result counts.... Ok i agree but then again we will have to make another question more important... If with all those idiots high officers we took two lines from ankara and we reached polatli rail station then what would happen if venizelos and his officers were up at power all the way to the end? Most likely the acceptance of the treaty of sevres by all of you and then all shores of the aegean ours.... Together with konstantinople(all)...

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QUOTE (George @ February 08, 2007 02:49 pm)

wow.. that little boy on the right, almost made me cry. Look how small and stout he is, very sad to see. I like how tough and serious he is, a little boy like him should be out playing with kids his age, but instead he's providing food to his family, and his figure shows that he's a hard worker, even though he's the size of my foot.. wow.. I hope he made it out ok

and I dont think you Greeks deserve credit for this.. you make it seem as you gave the whole Turkish people food.. when they outnumber you by the million. Sorry, its just how I see it

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QUOTE (Piyade @ February 08, 2007 08:10 pm)

My greatgrandmother was Smyrnan noblewoman and lived the whole episode you lousy

piece of meat. I bet she knew better than you, she lost half of her family to the Turks,

ravaging the city. Spare me of the BS.

Its history and I will post whatever I want.

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QUOTE (George @ February 08, 2007 09:48 pm)

Because if I start posting all the shit Greeks did in Anatolia, we won't even know where to end.

So take your self rightous Greek patriotism and shove it up your ass where it belongs.

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Your entire Army was owned in a period of 2 weeks. That's all it took to collapse the entire Greek Front.

What does that tell you about Greeks? ha?

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Keep it clean dudes, or the posts get scrubbed and the thread locked.

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Race after all is made up. Its yet another tool humans use to create separatism. We always look for differences amongst each other rather than similarities.

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QUOTE (Spartan King @ February 08, 2007 09:54 pm)

Keep it clean dudes, or the posts get scrubbed and the thread locked.

Fuck it

Lock it now

I won't have ass holes post shit about the suffering of Smyrna elitists and totally ignore the Anatolian Turks because the ass hole New York Times reporter didn't go further than Smyrna.

Fuck it all.

Lock it

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and I dont think you Greeks deserve credit for this.. you make it seem as you gave the whole Turkish people food.. when they outnumber you by the million. Sorry, its just how I see it

@Chrom.

We deserve credit mate, because although Greeks were at war with you, and hated your guts inside and out. They still had the humanity to feed the poor Turkish residents and provide them with healthcare and entertainment. Meanwhile the Greeks were fighting the very same nation they were feeding and taking care of behind the battle lines.

The last time I the Turks were in a similar position, in the 1st Balkan War, they were killing Christian village populations and impaling babies on their bayonets and carrying them around like some kind of a loot.

I dont really point the finger at you guys. The people who did that shit have long passed.

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mavjim75	February 08, 2007 10:59 pm
Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 132 Member No.: 92 Joined: January 29, 2007	You learn your history how they teach it in turkey i understand and i dont blame you piyade... Most likely you would say that we wee the bad ones... Is it true that at your history books they call us the "seitan millet"?

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