Only an alcoholic with a case of denial syndrome could make two contradictory posts one after the other in the same thread, as you just did.

So how am I an alcoholic.. please give me the evidence.. am i an Alpha, Beta, or Gamma Alcoholic ??

You might have to google that.. in case you have no fucking idea what im talking about.. which im sure you dont.

also in case you didnt know Alcoholism is a recognised medical disease... Do you so outwardly make fun of and label people with Cancer and Aids too Zeus ??

LMAO
NOOOOOOOOOOOO you are a "kalimera alcoholic " (joking )


And for the balkan genocide it's true!
LOL evil greeks won't admit it
AND Serbs sux
VOLIM TE TURSKA, BOSNA, KOSOVO, ARNAVUT I MAKEDONIA ( )

Polites, there's more to chest-beating and perpetuating the animosity in belonging part of the diaspora. As communities we form lobby groups and do what we can to assist the interests of our mother countries. And a lot of this "nationalism" we express is more based on passion for the motherland rather then being detached from realities. We actually understand them very well.

The difference is unlike in our old countries, in the diaspora we actually rub shoulders with the "enemy", work with them, do business together. Look at my sig, South Melbourne Hellas Soccer Club. For a couple of seasons its sponser was Crazy Johns, a mobile phone company owned by a certain John Ilhan. We even had a few Turkish players on the roster. Myself in Australia and Mavro in Germany can actually boast having close friendships with Turks. SK as a lawyer has legally represented Turks in the UK. Even Barb has Greek friends! If all goes to plan, this weekend myself a Greek, Boom,a Greek-Cypriot, and Emre a Turk, will meet up for dinner and drinks afterwards. Thus we're actually have a more realistic approach to our differences that not only can we understand each other's sensitivities but, most importantly, we're in a unique position to see the human face of the other. We may acknowledge these differences but it doesn't stop us from becoming friends or at the least being cordial to one another.

Until 1999 an Aegean war seemed likely and eight years later such a scenario seems less likely. In the 1930's relations between Greece and Turkey were so warm we actually signed a bloody alliance. For us Greeks, Bulgaria was the threat until the 1950's when the Cyprus question flared up and which since has, together with the Aegean, dominated bileral relations between our two nations. As long as these two issues remain sticking points, the animosity will remain. We need to overcome these and the only way this can be achieved is making sure neither side feels humiliated by any settlement. That's what the Greek and Turkish media and politicians needs to strive for, and so this has nothing to do with the attitudes of the diaspora; we don't decide the direction of Greco-Turkish relations.

I spoke from my personal experience. When I went to Astoria I felt I like I had just got out of a time machine and was back to 1960s Greece. And I am not only talking about the tacky Delphi posters on the tavernas, the excessive presence of corinthian columns, or the kazantzidis playing on the stereo. I am talking about mindsets and political views. My experience of Germany was a bit different where I thought mingling was actually more common

You are right that diaspora members have an opportunity to meet the real "other" (Turk, Macedonian etc). But from my experience most of the time the chose not to. In a foreign country all diaspora groups tend to be treated collectively as imigrants. Many of those that lose their language with the passing of time they they clutch onto a proud, nationalist discourse that reconnects them with their ethnicity and distinguish them from other "dark-looking" people...You know better than me that endogamy and cliqueyness is very common in diaspora settings.

Just look at forums -including this one: you will realize that most of the wacko-nationalists are actually from diasporic communities; many of them cannot even speak the respective language. Afterall it is an old pattern: Greek, Macedonian, even Turkish nationalism started from diasporic or peripheral enviornments.
And currently it is a well known fact that the groups pressing for the recognition of the Armenian and the Pontic Genocides, Macedonian or Aromanian irredentism, Kosovan independece and so on live in North America and Australia.

Put please keep in mind that for all these things I am saying I have purpously used phrases like "tend to..", "most", "often" etc. I am describing a personal impression, a kind of patern I have seen in diaspota groups. There is a fine line between deduction and generalization.

Polites,

All of what you say can heavily relate to first gen immigrants, but things change remarkably with the coming generations. Unless the hatred for each other is embedded in your existence, just as the case with the Armenian diaspora, the boundaries are lost with each generation. I can comfortably state that, I haven’t yet met a Turkish family sowing the seeds of hatred for other ethnicities, in their children.

If anything, I witness the Turkish youth developing nationalist tendencies because of the attack they experience from other groups. Look, during the Gallipoli campaign many Australians and even more Turks lost their lives, but there is no animosity in between these two groups. Lack of history may be a pertaining factor, but a very minor one. The fact that the issue is buried helps coming generations to move forward. We don’t witness this in Turk-Greek or Turk-Armenian relations, with the former, we witness further allegations surfacing each generation. So, what do you expect in return…? The root of the problem lies in respective governments failing to resolve the issues. So, while diaspora doesn’t help in the conflict, the responsibility solely lies with the governments of origin.

Well maybe if you claim Tasmania as a grey zone the Aussies would change their 'love' of Turks.

And maybe if you had a spine in your back, you could contribute a little more than a line here and there...

Well Im glad we know now your true feelings.
Hopefully you can cut the bullshit freidnly act now.

Why, it only takes one line to blow your argument out of the water.

Here is another

Casus belli anyone?

is that a new Turkish sweet?....


im sure Emre doesnt know what it is....its All latin to him

I couldn't find a suitable word in English that gives the exact meaning of "sazan*" in Turkish. Can any of the Turks (or maybe Polites) explain this to Zeus?






* Sazani fish in Greek.

Like you have ANY RIGHT to lecture someone else about "friendliness"..

Geee, you are a bright spark aren’t ya…? Tasmania analogy following a recent Dalai Lama one.

You gotta understand the argument before blowing it out of the water. Being a passionate Grik isn’t enough. How old is spineless Apu…?

ELLAS MALAKAS ! NAZI TURK MONGOL BARBARIANS FLYING THEIR PLANES OVER MY HOUSE !!!

I think sazan is carp in English.

Are you calling him a bottom feeder...? Now, that's what I call an analogy.

About Bosnia??