I'm not saying I like the idea of siblings fucking around but there is no scientific basis on which we can rationlly prevent them for doing so. Moral codes? What moral codes? Based on what? You need to articulate the REASON for why you must BAN that type of sex.

Must I articulate why incest should be BANNED...?

I know you are from Sweden and all mate, but let us have some laws to restrict the perverted wackos, ay...?

Besides, morality is a science of philosophy. We must take a utilitarian stand on issues of morality. If it's just you and your disgust for someone else's choices that's just you passing judgement on someone else when you have no right to. What if the same person really hates alcohol, would that sister-fucker have the right to demand that you stop drinking?

Yes, you must articulate the reason. I can articulate the reason for them not reproducing but I cannot state the reason for them not having sex. If anyone can, I'd gladly listen.

Re the moral question, incest is immoral. No question about it.

But it's not only the moral issue here, westy, re incest but also the psychological. The family unit is about belonging, trust and support not for sexual gratification. Because with incest there will always be the dominant figure imposing it for all the wrong reason on another family member, hence there will always have its victims that will be screwed up because of it.

Pal, what is wrong with you...? Are you putting alcohol and incest in the same basket...?

If everybody thought as you and saw incest somewhat acceptable, wouldn't we be heading the wrong way...? There should be limits to one's liberties and incest is way past that point.

Incest is immoral because of the reprodctive consequences. Children born out of incest are deformed and that says something about how unnatural it is. But when two adults are concenting, there is no psychological factor playing in the equation, Opti, what you're talking about is rape. Or psychological torture. Hardly a situation with two cocenting adults who know exacty what they are doing.

Still, if you want me to agree that all forms of incest are immoral, I'd like to see why that is.

For the sake of argument, can you tell me why we'd head in the wrong direction? I don't think we'd do.

Are you saying it would be OK with you if incest gained popularity...?

That fact that it is seen as taboo will help deter any curious minds. Siblings and parents engaging in incestuous activity will remain an outcast and for good reason. Do you wish for this to change...?

I'm not saying anything, except that there is no rational reason to ban concenting sex between two adults...be they siblings or not.

The rational reason being is that, it's morally bankrupt to allow such liberties.

You may have a better understanding once you have children, hopefully a boy and a girl.



Or for an ultra libertarian like you, two boys... a year apart.

But how is it morally bankrupt???

Have you been told about the birds and the bees yet...?

Mate, go and ask your old man why you shouldn't look at your sister sideways while she is bending over to tie her shoe laces.

I'm talking about adults here mate.

my point was limits of the freedom are tough to determine, even for an anarchist.

people who are having such relations are sexually perverted. correct address to those psychos is medical houses not court.