If you want go bang a cornhole go for your life champ, just keep it to your self i dont want to know about it.

Fairies and Kemalists

Pathetic.

For crying out loud, what has my post towards you have to do with the wider Greek-Turkish issues and which has also prompted you to use it as an excuse to accuse all the Greeks in this forum of being "dishonest".

I was just pointing out an obvious inconsistency in your posts and you suddenly go ranting as if any criticism directed at you is an attack on Turkey and all Turks.

Geez

Don't play with the words,you asked where were my objections and I said why I don't post on every subject. I am really bored of "Bash the Turkey" atmosphere in the forum and I prefer not to join most of the discussions for this reason,its my preference and I don't think you can say anything about it.

As for dishonesty,you personally admitted your hostility towards Turkey in your private messages in the past,why should I discuss anything about Turkey with you? As I said you can think whatever you want. End of discussion.Definitely end.

Let’s get on thing straight, Red, my criticism was not directed at you as a Turk per se but rather at your social commentary. Thus much of it had to do with my own personal views on social issues and the role of the military rather than finding an opportunity to go on an anti-Turk tirade as you try to portray it. And I can be just as critical about the Greek left... ....whose “you do what we say because we’re smarter than you” approach is similar to your own kemalist views.

Do I think I’m right? Of course I do. Why else am I posting it? And you also think you’re just as right when posting your responses. Hence, how we come to have a difference of opinion and why we are replying as such to one another in this thread.

And btw if I really want to bash the hell out of Turks then all I need to do is go to Waff. I’m sure I can have a ball in there as I once did. Because over there’s no pretensions and a whole lot of “honesty” between Greeks and Turks. But if I did that then it would probably be too much for Zahamahir as I would be intruding in his space. (opti --> <-- zahamahir)

Now, the Dancing Clown approach of George Papendreou gave you the wrong message and you now believe Greek-Turkish rapprochement should be so:
“If you Greeks really want to be friends of Turks, then you can’t mention this, can’t talk about that, and admit to all the past atrocities you committed against us as well as your continuous aggression in the Aegean.” And if a Greek doesn’t play by your rules you immediately view them as “dishonest” and “hostile”. Or at least how I interpret it.

FFS, we Greeks and Turks. Until 9 years ago both sides were convinced war was inevitable. So welcome to the world of Greek-Turkish discussion forums! Things will get heated and downright nasty at times. Look at lossy......and myself, will be abusing the crap out of each other in one thread and then hi-fiving in another; it’s essential to keep a thick-skin. We have a difference of opinion on…well, everything it seems at times. So it’s to be expected. As for me, I'm a hard-arsed Greek, not shy to argue with balls-and-all the Greek side on Cyprus, the Aegean etc. But saying that I don't hate Turks. And I have no reason to pretend that I don't. So some of you need to get over my "many masks" because I can assure you if I did really, truly hate you I would show it. Even Duke and Nike would distance themselves from me.

As for my “notorious” pm to that weasel Evropeos, nice attempt to “expose” me.

My referring to Turkey as a “shithole” was completely taken out of context. It was done on the huff of an angry moment and my mistake was sending it as a pm to a known spineless marmoset rather than posting in on the open forum. Then I could have used the excuse, “just to make it clear, man, this doesn’t apply to all Turks, man, but just a few”.

As you know I’ve been to Turkey and I assume you’ve seen the pics from my trip. But I’m so bent on making Turkey look bad that I’ve even shared them on another forum, Skyscraper City’s Hellenic Agora:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php...437&postcount=6

But yet again, you probably think: “Look, he didn’t take any photos of our skyscrapers and chic cafes but only of old buildings. He did that on purpose to show everyone how backwards Turkey is.”

Its great to see that there are some "islamic" and "Turkic" values in secular organisations.

I don't think the Army or the court or other secular offices in Turkey are against Islam, just look at the Maras, Sivas madimak incidents. The army and the court always sided with the sunni nationalistic/Islamic section instead of the Alevi/leftist section.

You are absuletely idiot.

c'mon kizil, Is that all you got?

damn you leftists, you need to respect other peoples opinions. There is a freedom of speech. Don't call anyone who doesn't agree with you a "idiot, fool, ..." The Stalin, Mao era is over .

When you don't make sense it's easy to dismiss you as a village idiot. I like you...really. But sometimes you just talk shit and I wonder which rock you crawled from under.

lol

seems like Red thinks every muslim supports AKP. according to this simple logic, I must be an AKP supporter since I am a muslim. I am not an supporter of any politics. still, I am a proud muslim like majority of Turkish people.

talking about sex...limits of the freedom.....

lets -*test*-('") the limits..

you don't have monopoly to wondering someones' limit of freedom. I am wondering your freedom too. could you please help us out which of the following acts should be free, which one should be banned?

1. man having sex with man ( faggots)

2. ensest relationships. (family members are having sex with each other. (brother and sister etc.)

3. having sex with animals. (with dogs, horses etc.)

some finds those disgusting, sick, unacceptable. other can think that he/she has right to choose his/her sexual life.

how far is your limit on it's way to freedom red?

I can answer that.


1. Yes, if two people are concenting, there should not be a restriction on homosexuality. As there is no scientific method that has yet to prove homosexuality is dangerous or depraving in any way, it's none of our business (as outsiders) to impede on someone else's life.

2. Incest is proven to have health consequences. I do not think closely related people should be allowed to have kids. But sex? If they are just having sex, then there must not be a law condemning it. As there is nothing dangerous about just sex, from a legal and medical standpoint siblings should be allowed to have intercourse for the sake of sexual pleasure, not reproduction.

3. As an animal cannot be fully concenting, all sex with animals must be considered animal cruelty. Or rape, one of those two anyway.

WTF...? Incest should be allowed...?

Moral codes affect laws more than scientific ones !

Where did you wanna stop with this "liberty"...? Let me guess, why stop...???