http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/turkis...5971016021.html

http://www.ntvmsnbc.com/news/405067.asp

Thousands of troops and backed by complete air superiority and all they can do is kill 10 freedom fighters and in turn get there own killed as well. When will Turkey learn they must come to negotiation tables with the PKK.

true...but the PKK has less troops to sacrifice....id be interested to know how many PKK are in the filed at any given time...im guessing no more than 5-10,000.....

Anger rises as toll from PKK terrorism mounts
Thousands of Turkish troops, backed by helicopters, launched operations against members of the Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) terrorist group in the southeast of Turkey, leaving 10 security forces and seven terrorists dead in weekend operations.

Efe Arslan, son of Gendarmerie Sgt. Kaşif Arslan, who was killed in Bitlis, sits on his father's coffin during the funeral ceremony in Samsun.

Three Turkish soldiers were killed and nine others were injured on Sunday in the provinces of Tunceli, Bingöl, Bitlis and Şırnak, located close to the Iraqi border. The intensity of the clashes gradually increased on Monday. Thousands of troops from the cities of Edirne, Kırklareli, Kayseri, Bolu, Tatvan, Gaziantep, Şanlıurfa and Diyarbakır are being deployed to the Hakkari-Şırnak border for operations that are widening across the Southeast. Some 10 extensive operations in the Beta region located along the border between Şırnak and Hakkari will be carried out.

Thousands of Turkish troops, backed by helicopters, launched operations aga-inst members of the Kurdistan Wor-kers' Party (PKK) terrorist group in the southeast of Turkey, leaving 10 security forces and seven terrorists dead in weekend operations.

Three Turkish soldiers were killed and nine others were injured on Sunday in the provinces of Tunceli, Bingöl, Bitlis and Şırnak, located close to the Iraqi border.

The intensity of the clashes gradually increased on Monday. Thousands of troops from the cities of Edirne, Kırklareli, Kayseri, Bolu, Tatvan, Gaziantep, Şanlıurfa and Diyarbakır are being deployed to the Hakkari-Şırnak border for operations that are widening across the Southeast. According to a statement from the General Staff, 10 extensive operations in the Beta region located along the border between Şırnak and Hakkari will be carried out. All leave for soldiers currently serving has been canceled for the next three months. Village guards on duty close to the Iraqi border will also not be allowed to take time off until summer.

Four terrorists from the PKK were killed in a clash that broke out on Sunday evening in Tunceli's Hozat district, in what was one of the bloodiest clashes with the terrorists this year, while another PKK member was killed in Bitlis. Elsewhere, three Turkish soldiers were killed by separatists in a clash along the border between the eastern towns of Tunceli and Bingöl.

On Monday, the police in Şırnak seized eight kilograms of A-4 type explosives in an operation where three were arrested. Şırnak Police Chief Salih Gökalp said the terrorist group used local smugglers to bring in explosives into Turkey through the Iraqi border.

PKK planted landmines

Landmines also caused a series of casualties over the weekend. Seven soldiers and one village guard were injured on Sunday as a result of mines laid in the Bitlis and Şırnak regions.

Among other clashes over the weekend, an officer from the gendarmerie forces and a member of the village guards were killed in a firefight with the terrorists in Şırnak. Two terrorists were killed in the clash while four members of the security forces were injured.

Further north in Bitlis province, a sergeant was killed when he stepped on a mine, the second such incident over the weekend.

On Saturday morning, two soldiers in a search operation in the Bitlis countryside were killed when one of them stepped on a mine that was planted on the road by PKK members.

Two separate funerals held in Ankara and Erzurum were transformed into demonstrations displaying anger against the PKK shortly after they began. Among those present at the funeral of 24-year-old Sertaç Uzun was Chief of General Staff Gen. Yaşar Büyükanıt, Force Commanders İlker Başbuğ, Yener Karahanoğlu, Işık Koşaner, National Police Chief Oğuz Kağan Köksal and Defense Minister Vecdi Gönül. Uzun was a second lieutenant killed in Bitlis.

27 terrorists killed in three months

In the first three months of this year 27 terrorists have been killed in military operations carried out in the Southeast while Turkey lost 16 members of its security forces to landmines planted by terrorists.

The PKK have been using hit-and-run attacks instead of fighting one-to-one fight as of late, and have increasingly resorted to laying landmines in an effort to hurt Turkish security forces. Landmines planted by the PKK have cost 988 lives between 1999 and 2006, including 589 civilians. The highest number of landmine-related deaths occur in Diyarbakır, Bingöl, Tunceli, Siirt, Şırnak and Van. The PKK launched its violent separatist campaign in 1984, and more than 30,000 people have died in the conflict.

http://www.haberturk.com/haber.asp?id=1983...0&dt=2007/04/10


Bingöl'de 1 PKK'lı öldürüldü
Bingöl'ün Yayladere ilçesinde düzenlenen operasyonda bir terörist ölü olarak ele geçirildi.

10.04.2007 16:14


Yayladere kırsalında ''teslim ol'' çağrısına ateşle karşılık veren teröristlerle güvenlik güçleri arasında çatışma çıktı. Çatışmada 1 terörist etkisiz hale getirildi.

Bölgede yapılan aramalarda terör örgütüne ait 11 adet sığınak ile bir adet
tuzaklanmış patlayıcı madde düzeneği bulunarak imha edildi.

Tunceli'nin Pülümür ilçesi kırsalında yapılan aramalarda ise bir konserve
kutusu içerisinde 500 gram C-4 patlayıcı madde, üç adet kalaşnikof piyade tüfeği şarjörü, çok miktarda hafif silah mühimmatı ile yiyecek ve yaşam malzemesi ele geçirildi.

Hozat ilçesi kırsalında da 1 adet av tüfeği bulundu.

A.A.



IN bingol this morning a terrorist was killed by security forces in clashes, and 500 grams of C4 were recovered as well as some rifles.

Seems that Turkey will suffer many years till this war is over.

Heavy armour, artillery, thousands of troops AND control of the air and the Turkish army STILL manage to lose more men than the PKK? Heads are going to roll for this.




Stay the fuck out of Kurdistan is all I say...

If these turkish soldiers fell into a trap it is only logical that they lost more men than the kurds...nothing special on this.

The turkish special forces gain a lots of expirience in the mountains of SE anatolia and northern irak.
And I know(from what I have heard from a lots of turks in germany who have family connection to higher army ranks) that the turkish generals like this fact.

Several thousand fighting expirienced soldiers,familiar to heli-landing ops and mountain warfare are not bad for any army...let us not forget this...even if this expirience is not so important for any greek-turkish confrontation,still fighting expirience is important.

http://www.cihannews.com/

How come there are no Turkish responds to this thread?

Personally I was a bit surprised that for 17 PKK, 3 soldiers died and 7 were injured, you would expect the killing ratio to be more in Turkey;s favour with all the modern equipment.

Vorian it was 10 soldiers and 7 pkk who were killed.


Anyway I dont see whats so funny? None of us know the details, we werent there to see what happened.

what is going on right now in South Eastern Turkey is very bad, violence brings back violence and the fightings and killings are going on.

There is no reason for the Greeks to feel satisfied about this situation, when a neighbor of us has a problem (even a problematic neighbor like Turkey) we should just wish for the best, and in any case we should not approve violence and killings of Turkish soldiers or innocent people by the Kurdish rebels.

However Turkey should beggin nagotiating with the Kurds and respect their human rights, killing them is not the solution it will just lead in another outbreak of violence.

But we the greeks shouldnt speak about the efficiency of the turkish jendarmerie and the armed forces in general because we havent combat experience yet and our equipment s much like theirs if not inferior at the army!!
Supposing that the UCC conducts raids against the greek territory
My humble opinion is that we will be totally unprepared to confront them at least at the very first stages.
Then we cannot forget that the turkish forces have gained a significant experience fighting the PKK ....
But every conflict has casualties for every side so its more than normal the turks to have more deads cause the PKK has the initiative(ambuses and IED)!!

its true that we dont have combat experience but you need a war in order to gain a real combat experience, now as far as UCK is concerned i think that it has not the necessary power to strike deeply into the Greek territory , it maybe was succesful in Skopjie, but we cannot compare the military capabilities of Skopjie with those of Greece, Greece is much better prepared to face any external threat.

The population of Kurds in South Eastern Turkey is very big so the rebels get new recruitments from this vast tank of population and they know the area very well, the same applies to the Kurds of Northern Iraq who use it as a base in order to attack the extended borders with Turkey and support the fugitive rebels who are being hunted down by the Turkish army.

The UCCK does not have the same human resources, the rebels do not know the Greek territory so well and their equipment is ridiculous, it is true that they may penetrate succesfully and perform terrorist operations in the initial stages of their plan but in my opinion their penetration will be limited to the Greek villages near the Albanian borders, they simply lack the strength to perform extended military operations against Greece and after the counter attack of the Greek army they will be decimated in a short period of time although they may cause significant losses to the Greek forces indeed because mountain warfare is not a simple thing to cope with.
Anyway if they decide to attack Greece this is going to be their end and the end of their dreams for a bigger Albania maybe the Greek army will have the chance to permanently occupy Southern Albania and the long persecuted Greeks by the inhumane Albanian regime will have the chance to return to their homes and get back their fortunes, it will be really a gift for us if they attack Greece without any reason then they will find out that the time of financial assistance and friendship is over and the time to be punished has finally come.