Turkish Counter-attack Leaves 17 Dead

Let me explain something.We only use choppers for transporting some special forces to some special points.Not a Vietnam scene that usually occurs in foreigner mind.Also we don't have enough money to sacrifice helis for stingers.Terorists live in some deep caves whatever you use you couldn't archieve anything against them except maybe chemical bombs.East region has mountains more than 3000 m.PKK always use this advantage.You can't use artillery such high places,even there aren't any trucks for these mountains therefore normal troops used to walk more than 10 kms for a day with +25 kg.When troops stop for fight with terorist they usually be happy because of the rest,they only take breath in actions.In winter -20 celcius PKK's Russian equipments such as AK-47s,PKMs aka Bixi,Dragonuvs hands down more useful hence some of our army personels use these weapons[After some bloody ambush/attack soldiers warned our former president to switch Russian so he gave order to buy some Russian weapons via Iraq,we have some captured weapons too but it's very rare to see soldiers with non-Nato weapons only experienced soldiers use them].

PKK is a guerilla group naturally they use hit&run,mine,morning peasent night terorrist tactics;it works well.Normal villagers don't cooperate with army because of terror fear.What i saw over net was our net warriors tends to bash our army with its population.We dont live in 15.century whose soldier ratio 1:5 occupies neighbor country easily.Average soldier in army only shoots 3 bullets in his whole service.We have experienced soldiers maybe more than Greece+Bulgaria+Syria combination however when terrorists ambushed gendarme stations a big percentage of soldiers couldn't manage to use weapons.Obviously we lack of training.Its a known fact that in gendarme regions sometimes special police forces attacks them to prevent casualties.From early 80's to this time special police forces only lost 180-185 personel and killed numerous times more.Even a 1:4 ratio against terorrists is a big problem,pitty that normal soldiers ain't make this ratio.

More over,some forces (populist name) "deeper state" doesn't want to finish PKK.For example Greek politicians/generals portray Turkish army as enemy,same goes for US with Bin Laden.Countries needs enemies or horrors.Our fear is PKK.

Maybe our guys want to make us more nationalist and unity because of terror who knows?Also we spend 100 billion USD (300 billions indirectly) over PKK in 2 decades,multiple men made fortunes in any case.

Normally we bury a young guy every week.Media takes pictures of his crying mothers,I'm sure that someone benefit from dead people.These soldiers whose KIA were always poor families sons,after 2 weeks nobody asks them.We don't have Mao style politicians who has enough ball to send his son to fight.No rich family,no general son but always poor sons.Sad but true.

Very nice post tovbekar.

Brilliant post Tovbekar

Thanks Vorian and Spartan King.

QUOTE (Tovbekar Hero @ 28, 2007 02:24 am)

PKK is a guerilla group ...

I made a huge mistake there,i want to correct myself before anyone else:kiss: PKK isn't only kill soldiers,if they did,they'd be guerillas.Although they use guerilla warfare and tactics [which i meant ^^ but couldn't express] you shouldn't describe them mere guerillas.It's not questionable thing.Sorry for misunderstanding.

either way still a good post Tovbekar

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04.05.2007-TURKEY /HAKKARI

Cihan News Agency-National

Two soldiers killed, 7 others injured in SE Turkey

Two Turkish soldiers were killed and seven others were injured during clashes with the outlawed Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) in southeastern Turkey.

A commando private lost his life after he stepped on a mine previously planted by PKK terrorists in Hakkari province. An NCO was also wounded in the same blast.

Elsewhere, a first lieutenant was killed and three other soldiers were injured in another clash with PKK members in the Lice district of neighboring Diyarbakir province.

General Staff on Thursday said that two soldiers were wounded after stepping on a mine during routine tracking activities in Sirnak. Another soldier was slightly injured after a remote controlled roadside mine went off in eastern Bingol province.

Meanwhile, Sirnak Governor’s office said in a statement on Thursday that two PKK terrorists were killed during military operations in the region.

http://www.cihannews.com/

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Two Turkish soldiers killed by Kurdish rebels

Two soldiers of the Turkish security forces were killed by militants of the outlawed Kurdish Workers' Party (PKK) in a military operation in southeastern Turkey, an official statement said on Sunday.

The statement issued by Sirnak governor's office said that a group of PKK militants on Saturday opened fire at the Turkish soldiers during the operation in Bestler Dereler area in Sirnak province, leaving the two soldiers dead.

The security forces have launched large-scale operations against PKK since the beginning of this spring, when the harsh climate there turned to mild and was in favor of the military operations.

PKK, listed as a terrorist organization by the United States,

NATO and the European Union, launched an armed campaign for an

ethnic homeland in the mainly Kurdish southeastern Turkey in 1984, sparking decades of strife that has claimed more than 30,000 lives.

The intensity of the fighting eased after PKK leader Abdullah

Ocalan was captured and imprisoned in 1999, but fighting flared up again in recent years.

Source: Xinhua

http://english.people.com.cn/200705/07/eng...507_372408.html

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Turkish soldiers killed

Sat, 12 May 2007 11:50:00

Two Turkish soldiers have been killed and 14 others injured in military operations against Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK).

According to CNN Turk, one soldier was shot dead Friday in Bingol region in
southeastern Turkey.

In a separate incident, another soldier was killed and 14 others injured when a military vehicle overturned in Van region in east of the country.

Prime Minster Recep Tayyip Erdogan has sent his condolences to Turkey's army chief, General Yasar Buyukanit, over the incident.

Ankara deployed about 20,000 military personnel in the south east Turkey and the border regions with Iraq last week to fight off the PKK forces.

Turkish media say the army deployed the troops to stop PKK militia slipping back into Turkey from northern Iraq.

AS/HSH

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=9568&...ionid=351020204

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Another report extra details....

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13.05.2007-TURKEY /BINGOL

Cihan News Agency-National

Terrorists attack public buildings in eastern Turkey, two soldiers injured

Members of the outlawed Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) have attacked public buildings in eastern Turkish province of Bingol, injuring two Turkish soldiers.

A group of PKK terrorists attacked military recruiting office, security directorate, police station and administrative district office in Genc district of Bingol.

The terrorists opened fire on the buildings with long barrel arms and a brief clash occurred when the security forces responded with fire.

Two soldiers were on guard at the recruiting office when the attack occurred on at 8.45 p.m. on Saturday.

One of the soldiers was seriously injured and taken to Bingol for further care while the other remained in a hospital in the Genc district.

The terrorists managed to escape while high security measures were implemented in the district.

Wide scale operations have been initiated in order to track down the terrorists who managed to escape.

http://www.cihannews.com/

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Two Turkish soldiers killed in landmine explosion

Two soldiers of the Turkish security forces were killed and four others wounded in a landmine explosion in southeastern Turkey, the semi-official Anatolia news agency reported on Tuesday.

The report said that the landmine planted by the Kurdish Workers' Party (PKK) exploded in Dicle town of Diyarbakir province, leaving Lieutenant Halit Demiroz and Corporal Suat Ozcan dead and four soldiers wounded.

The blast occurred when the Turkish security forces were staging operations in fight against the PKK militants in the region, added the report.

It said that the wounded were taken to Diyarbakir Military Hospital for treatment by helicopter.

PKK, listed as a terrorist organization by the United States, NATO and the European Union, launched an armed campaign for an ethnic homeland in the mainly Kurdish southeastern Turkey in 1984, sparking decades of strife that has claimed more than 30,000 lives.

The intensity of the fighting eased after PKK leader Abdullah Ocalan was captured and imprisoned in 1999, but flared up again in recent years.
Source: Xinhua

http://english.people.com.cn/200705/15/eng...515_374868.html

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Turkish Soldier, PKK Rebel killed in Clashes

ANKARA, May 19--A Turkish soldier and a Kurdish militant of the outlawed Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) were killed in separate clashes in southeastern Turkey, a news agency reported Saturday.

One soldier of the Turkish security forces was killed and four others wounded in operations in southeastern Turkey, the semi-official Anatolia news agency reported on Saturday.

The report said that militants of the Kurdish Workers' Party (PKK) staged an attack against the Turkish security forces in mountainous area in Lice town of Diyarbakir province linking Bingol province, leaving one soldier dead and four soldiers wounded.

The wounded were taken to Diyarbakir Military Hospital for treatment, said the report.

Security forces meanwhile killed a Pkk militant in the province of Sirnak near the Iraq border, Anatolia reported.

The number of clashes between PKK rebels and Turkish soldiers has increased with the coming of spring and the melting of snow in the mountain ranges on the border between Turkey and Iraq.

PKK, listed as a terrorist organization by the United States, NATO and the European Union, launched an armed campaign for an ethnic homeland in the mainly Kurdish southeastern Turkey in 1984, sparking decades of strife that has claimed more than 30,000 lives.

http://www.alalam.ir/english/en-NewsPage.a...120070519232905

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http://www.sabah.com.tr/haber,45F9A7BC9803...36CC7EFC83.html

Şırnak'ta 1 terörist öldürüldü
Yeni Haber
Terör örgütü PKK'ya yönelik operasyonlarını sürdüren güvenlik güçleri, Şırnak'ta 1 teröristi ölü olarak ele geçirdi. Bingöl'de ise 1 terörist sağ olarak yakalandı.

Genelkurmay Başkanlığı'ndan yapılan açıklamada, Şırnak Merkez ilçesi dağlık arazi kesiminde güvenlik güçleri tarafından yapılan arama tarama faaliyeti esnasında, terör örgütü mensubu bir grup ile temas sağlandığı bildirildi.

Çıkan çatışma sonucu; bir erkek teröristin bir adet kaleşnikof piyade tüfeği, 5 adet kaleşnikof piyade tüfeği şarjörü ve 7 adet el bombası ile birlikte etkisiz hale getirildiği belirtildi.

Bingöl'ün Karlıova ilçesinde ise güvenlik güçleri tarafından terör örgütü mensubu bir terörist yakalandı. Sağ olarak ele geçirilen terörist hakkında adli işlemlere başlanıldı.

Bingöl'ün Genç ilçesi dağlık arazi kesiminde de, güvenlik güçleri tarafından yapılan arama ve tarama faaliyeti esnasında, terör örgütü mensupları tarafından güvenlik güçlerine uzak mesafeden ateş açıldı.
Olayda herhangi bir can ve mal kaybı meydana gelmezken; teröristlerin yakalanması için bölgede geniş çaplı operasyon başlatıldı.

Genelkurmay Başkanlığı'nın haftalık terörle mücadele raporuna göre, 14 - 21 Mayıs tarihleri arasında 2 terörist ölü, 6 terörist sağ olmak üzere toplam 8 terörist etkisiz hale getirildi.

One terrorist was killed, and another was caught alive, all males.

According to the general staff between the 14th and 21st of may, 2 terrorists were killed and six terrorists were captured alived.

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Six Turkish soldiers killed in landmine blast

TUNCELI: Six Turkish troops were killed when a mine exploded in southeast Turkey on Thursday, security sources said, amid speculation the army may cross into northern Iraq to fight Kurdish guerrillas based there.

The United States and Iraqi Kurdish leaders oppose Turkish troops going into northern Iraq and a Kurdish Iraqi official recently warned that talk of such a move was a “dangerous escalation”.

The European Union, which Turkey wants to join, has also urged it to exercise restraint for the sake of a stable Iraq and Turkey’s EU entry process. Thursday’s attack, which security sources blamed on the separatist Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK), was the deadliest single attack on Turkish forces in the last year.

Another 10 soldiers were wounded in the blast as their vehicle drove over the landmine, planted in Sirnak province, near the Iraqi border, the sources said.

It followed the worst bomb attack in the capital Ankara in at least a decade on Tuesday, which authorities said appeared to be the work of the PKK. The group denied responsibility for that attack, believed to have been a suicide bombing. The PKK has been fighting for an ethnic homeland since 1984 and Ankara blames it for more than 30,000 deaths since then. Thousands of PKK rebels are based in northern Iraq from where they launch attacks in Turkey.

The head of Turkey’s armed forces, General Yasar Buyukanit, has called for a military operation there and Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan was quoted as saying late on Wednesday that he agreed with the army.

Tens of thousands of Turkish soldiers are based in Turkey’s mainly Kurdish southeast to fight the rebels, who tend to step up attacks in the spring when the weather improves. reuters

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?p...5-5-2007_pg7_26
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