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Mythos- 09-16-2007
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the fact that Greece was not formerly implicated in the Yugoslavian atrocities goes to show how flimsy your theories are.....


My magic 8-bal shows that he will play the OMG-Greece-supported-PKK card. greekturkish/laugh.gif

Mavrogenides- 09-16-2007
Some years ago in a german "special forces magazine" I read about germans which fought together with the serbs against "evil muslims"...
Even french and scandinavian "soldiers of fortune" fought in bosnia.

It seems like every blood thirsty wannabe rambo was there during the 90s...

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Emre- 09-16-2007
QUOTE (Deman68 @ September 16, 2007 06:21 pm)
it has been proven ages ago, and it being slowly recognised by one nation after another....

force turkey how?....this happened in 1915, its not post ww2 and the jews....

Erm, there were trials in Malta in 1922 and nothing was proven.
To this day, historians are divided on the issue.
Which books did you read to be so vocal on this …?

Emre- 09-16-2007
QUOTE (Deman68 @ September 16, 2007 10:58 pm)
and that book throws allot of speculation and nothing else my friend...what a few Greeks raised a flag? oh shock horror were all war criminals....

Suddenly, you are not being “incredibly honest”… Have you read the book…?

The problem is not the actions of these 100 men, but how they were portrayed and the general Greek attitude to the events.

No one, it is said, played such a pivotal role in the alliance between Athens and Belgrade during the Nineties Balkan conflicts. As Yugoslavia's ambassador to Greece, Milutinovic was Slobodan Milosevic's most trusted lieutenant. His links with Greece's political, religious and business elites were allegedly crucial to Serbia's secret economic infrastructure. They allowed the country to evade United Nations sanctions and, according to the International Criminal Tribunal, contributed considerably towards Milosevic's war machine.

When the diplomat was promoted to Foreign Minister in 1994, he retained his Athens post for several months when, EU diplomats say, he stashed away funds to buy villas and other prime properties in Athens and Crete at the behest of his boss.

With Greece's admiring public, pro-Serbian church, tolerant media and governments that supported Milosevic, Athens was seen as a bolt-hole by the now disgraced president. As Bosnian Serb ethnic cleansers torched villages, it was here Milosevic would escape to enjoy the hospitality of Greek politicians. Marko Milosevic, his lascivious smuggler son, declared Greece 'my first home'.
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A Dutch documentary investigating Greek complicity in the Serb wars was aired on local television in which a director of the semi-official Athens News Agency, Nikolas Voulelis, admitted to widespread censorship. During the wars the Greek media was fanatically pro-Serb, portraying Yugoslav Muslims as 'infidel Turks' bent on destroying their Orthodox brethren. 'Editorial interference was a given,' he said.

But it was not only hospitality or money that the Greeks offered. Spiritual succour was provided by the Greek Orthodox church which sent priests to the front line (several clerics received bravery medals from Plavsic).

In a step repeated in no other country, Archbishop Serafeim invited the Bosnian Serb leader Radovan Karadzic to visit Athens in 1993. At a mass rally attended by prominent politicians, the indicted war criminal proclaimed: 'We have only God and the Greeks on our side.'

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/milosevic/s...rticle_continue



QUOTE (Mythos @ September 17, 2007 12:49 am)

My magic 8-bal shows that he will play the OMG-Greece-supported-PKK card.  greekturkish/laugh.gif

I am glad you can make the connection, cause it is very much the same way Öcalan and PKK were received in Greece, were they not...? greekturkish/Yes.gif

ArslanTegin- 09-16-2007
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haven't you heard the one about stones and glass houses....?...


You "seem" to forget who the thread starter is here greekturkish/wink.gif

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the fact that Greece was not formerly implicated in the Yugoslavian atrocities goes to show how flimsy your theories are.....

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Neither was Turkey formerly implicated with the so called armenian genocide...only bunch of countries and their represenetives making biased accusations. There is no court decision against the Turks what's so ever to this date... greekturkish/tiphat.gif


westerort- 09-16-2007
QUOTE (Deman68 @ September 16, 2007 06:03 am)
greekturkish/laugh.gif greekturkish/laugh.gif greekturkish/laugh.gif the ottoman state systematically killed over 1.5 million Armenians

40% of the Armenian population within the Ottoman Empire were lost, which brings the estimated number of dead to about 650.000. There's no point in exaggerating the number, it won't make the event more gruesome in our minds.

Deman68- 09-17-2007
QUOTE (ArslanTegin @ September 17, 2007 04:19 am)

You "seem" to forget who the thread starter is here greekturkish/wink.gif



Neither was Turkey formerly implicated with the so called armenian genocide...only bunch of countries and their represenetives making biased accusations. There is no court decision against the Turks what's so ever to this date... greekturkish/tiphat.gif

really? i seem to remember a few governments recognising the genocide..... greekturkish/laugh.gif

more coming... greekturkish/bluebiggrin.gif

Deman68- 09-17-2007
QUOTE (Emre @ September 17, 2007 03:14 am)
Suddenly, you are not being “incredibly honest”… Have you read the book…?

The problem is not the actions of these 100 men, but how they were portrayed and the general Greek attitude to the events.

No one, it is said, played such a pivotal role in the alliance between Athens and Belgrade during the Nineties Balkan conflicts. As Yugoslavia's ambassador to Greece, Milutinovic was Slobodan Milosevic's most trusted lieutenant. His links with Greece's political, religious and business elites were allegedly crucial to Serbia's secret economic infrastructure. They allowed the country to evade United Nations sanctions and, according to the International Criminal Tribunal, contributed considerably towards Milosevic's war machine.

When the diplomat was promoted to Foreign Minister in 1994, he retained his Athens post for several months when, EU diplomats say, he stashed away funds to buy villas and other prime properties in Athens and Crete at the behest of his boss.

With Greece's admiring public, pro-Serbian church, tolerant media and governments that supported Milosevic, Athens was seen as a bolt-hole by the now disgraced president. As Bosnian Serb ethnic cleansers torched villages, it was here Milosevic would escape to enjoy the hospitality of Greek politicians. Marko Milosevic, his lascivious smuggler son, declared Greece 'my first home'.
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A Dutch documentary investigating Greek complicity in the Serb wars was aired on local television in which a director of the semi-official Athens News Agency, Nikolas Voulelis, admitted to widespread censorship. During the wars the Greek media was fanatically pro-Serb, portraying Yugoslav Muslims as 'infidel Turks' bent on destroying their Orthodox brethren. 'Editorial interference was a given,' he said.

But it was not only hospitality or money that the Greeks offered. Spiritual succour was provided by the Greek Orthodox church which sent priests to the front line (several clerics received bravery medals from Plavsic).

In a step repeated in no other country, Archbishop Serafeim invited the Bosnian Serb leader Radovan Karadzic to visit Athens in 1993. At a mass rally attended by prominent politicians, the indicted war criminal proclaimed: 'We have only God and the Greeks on our side.'

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/milosevic/s...rticle_continue




I am glad you can make the connection, cause it is very much the same way Öcalan and PKK were received in Greece, were they not...? greekturkish/Yes.gif

again quite scurrilous accusations that are still to be proved beyond doubt...

that the Greek population were pro Serbian is beyond doubt for the reasons i mentioned....im not about to repeat myself...

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Deman68- 09-17-2007
QUOTE (ArslanTegin @ September 17, 2007 04:19 am)



Neither was Turkey formerly implicated with the so called armenian genocide...only bunch of countries and their represenetives making biased accusations. There is no court decision against the Turks what's so ever to this date... greekturkish/tiphat.gif

from memory, the human rights court in the Hague did not exist in 1922....the league of nations was a sham and turkey got away with one of the most heinous crimes in history....even Hitler used it as justification for his belief they would get away with the holocaust.....

for every person you think denies the armenian genocide there is ten who have proven and or added evidence....


keep denying it, and when reality slaps you in the mug, make sure to book the dentist.... greekturkish/tiphat.gif

Deman68- 09-17-2007
QUOTE (westerort @ September 17, 2007 05:28 am)
40% of the Armenian population within the Ottoman Empire were lost, which brings the estimated number of dead to about 650.000. There's no point in exaggerating the number, it won't make the event more gruesome in our minds.

West, these are figures provided by many independent organisations and is often bandied about...im not at-*test*-('")ing to the figures myself...


ArslanTegin- 09-17-2007
QUOTE (Deman68 @ September 17, 2007 08:59 am)
from memory, the human rights court in the Hague did not exist in 1922....the league of nations was a sham and turkey got away with one of the most heinous crimes in history....even Hitler used it as justification for his belief they would get away with the holocaust.....

for every person you think denies the armenian genocide there is ten who have proven and or added evidence....


keep denying it, and when reality slaps you in the mug, make sure to book the dentist.... greekturkish/tiphat.gif

Bullllshit!!

Then why don't they take us to the court now?

Maybe they should start with the Greek contribution on the Srebrenica genocide firts to set an example...huh ? greekturkish/laugh.gif

Emre- 09-17-2007
QUOTE (Deman68 @ September 17, 2007 06:54 pm)
again quite scurrilous accusations that are still to be proved beyond doubt...


QUOTE (Deman68 @ September 17, 2007 06:59 pm)
from memory, the human rights court in the Hague did not exist in 1922....the league of nations was a sham and turkey got away with one of the most heinous crimes in history....even Hitler used it as justification for his belief they would get away with the holocaust.....

for every person you think denies the armenian genocide there is ten who have proven and or added evidence....


keep denying it, and when reality slaps you in the mug, make sure to book the dentist.... greekturkish/tiphat.gif

My “incredibly honest” mate,
That “quite scurrilous accusations that are still to be proved beyond doubt” tag fits these Armenian allegations like a glove from where I stand. You call the Malta trials a sham, quote figures from their sources, throw Hitler’s name in the mix, etc… I ask you again : How many books have you read on this subject…???

A commonly used quotation of an alleged statement by Adolph Hitler concerning the Armenian incidents in 1915-16 is a forgery and should not be used. Prof. Dr. Heath Lowry proved it in his article, which he wrote,[5] and Dr. Robert John, a historian and political analyst of Armenian descent from New York City, demonstrated how he had traced the original document in The Military Branch of the National Archives of the USA. Dr. John showed slides of this document, undated and unsigned, with some words cut out of the last page. The statement was supposed to have been made at a meeting of the top German staff of Obersalzberg on August 22, 1939, a few days prior to his invasion of Poland. Everything written to date has attributed the purported Hitler quote, not to primary sources, but a book that was first published in 1942, entitled ‘What About Germany’ and authored by Louis Lochner and an article that appeared in the Times of London on Saturday, November 24,1945.[6] The document was released to the international press covering the Nuremberg War Crimes trials on Friday, November 23, 1945. The trials had commenced that Monday. The document was one of several made available to the press that day. Two hundred fifty copies were given to press correspondents, but only five copies were given to the 17 defense counsels -24 hours before the Court convened on Monday. Much later in the trial, the German defense lawyers were able to introduce the most complete account of the address, taken down by German Admiral Hermann Boehm, which runs to 12 pages in translation. There is no mention of the Armenians, the last clause or the rest of the ‘quotation’ Dr. Robert John said he believed that the document was introduced to create a climate of hate which was needed to stifle the pro-*test*-('")s of eminent American jurists such as Sen. R. Taft and Chief Justice Harland Stone.[7] Afterwards, this quotation was formed in different clauses. For instance, ‘who still talks/remembers nowadays of the extermination/annihilation of the Armenians’ or ‘who after all speaks today of the extermination of the Armenian’. At last it changed this version ‘who remembers the Armenians’ frequently used Hitler’s quote is nothing but a forgery.

[5] Heath W. Lowry, ‘ The U.S Congress and Adolf Hitler on the Armenians’, Political Communication and Persuasion, Vol. 3 No. 2, pp. 111-140
[6] Lowry, The U. S… , pp. 113-114
[7] Armenian Reporter, Vol. 27, No. 40, 1984

http://www.eraren.org/index.php?Page=Dergi...No=117&Lisan=en

ArslanTegin- 09-17-2007
QUOTE (Emre @ September 17, 2007 04:18 pm)




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I ask you again : How many books have you read on this subject…???


Probably "lots" telling only the armenians' stories. greekturkish/bluebiggrin.gif

So..Hitler never mentioned about the armenians greekturkish/bluebiggrin.gif

Good find Emre greekturkish/Thumbsup.gif

Zeus- 09-18-2007
QUOTE (ArslanTegin @ September 17, 2007 04:26 pm)
Bullllshit!!

Then why don't they take us to the court now?

Maybe they should start with the Greek contribution on the Srebrenica genocide firts to set an example...huh ? greekturkish/laugh.gif

Yeah while they are starting with the few Greek volunteers who went on their own accord, they could also delve into the role the Turks who volunteered on the Bosnian side, or the Turks who have somehow gotten lost and found their way fighting on the side of Chechen terrorists against the Russians.

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LOS MAGANDOS- 09-18-2007
QUOTE (optimaton @ September 16, 2007 02:32 am)
Nice try, Arslan.

No doubt Srebenica was the worst massacre on European soil since WWII, but it definitely was not genocide. But saying that it was still an atrocity, and a sensless one, committed by the Bosnian Serbs. If any Greeks were involved then they should be put on trial and face the consenquence of their actions.



WHAT AN ARSE !! of course it was Genocide.. it is accepted world wide as Genocide... It was part of a wider Genocidal campaign against the Bosnian Muslims !! THIS ACCEPTED FACT you Fucking HYPOCRITE !!! greekturkish/laugh.gif

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