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Kayakiran- 11-04-2008
QUOTE (codex @ November 04, 2008 06:54 am)
what an ignorance !

according to this comedy; PKK's party in Turkish parliamentary "DTP" who got more than %50 of the Kurdish votes is a fundamental Islamist party !

be a man and do not use Kurdish people in order to express your hatred to our religion Islam.

delikanlı ol İslam la peygamberle alıp veremediğin varsa erkek gibi açıkça söyle.

Codex,
Domestos was joking. He is probably the most tolarant person on these forums.

kvk1- 11-04-2008
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the members here have some weakass sarcasm sensors

kvk1- 11-04-2008
QUOTE (codex @ November 04, 2008 08:40 am)
knowing this, what kind of sick person supports PKK ?

Do you really have to ask?

Enemy of my enemy.

Chris- 11-04-2008
QUOTE (codex @ November 04, 2008 12:44 pm)
You are miss leading ! HPG is the armed group of PKK. PKK is recognised as a terrorist organisation by Europen Union. Banning PKK is official attitude of Turkey and European Union.

well,not according to the CNN greekturkish/bluebiggrin.gif
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0a56bQ_aOy8

Hassan_Sabbah- 11-05-2008
QUOTE (Kayakiran @ November 04, 2008 04:08 pm)
Codex,
Domestos was joking. He is probably the most tolarant person on these forums.

HAHA...i ll spend the rest of my life wherever i want...and it wont be Iraq...or North Kurdi Iraq...because i dont have anyone i know there...i m not kurdish.only a blockhead like you thinks i m one:P

Lethe- 11-05-2008
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HAHA...i ll spend the rest of my life wherever i want...and it wont be Iraq...or North Kurdi Iraq...because i dont have anyone i know there...i m not kurdish.only a blockhead like you thinks i m one:P
kayakiran does not live in turkey. since we are also talking about streotypes he could understand what you are from your first post. you are not one of those anarchist in university, socialist in mcdonalds... are you? you should have deep political background to write such stuff or group of friends to enjoy. kurds are not toys for masturbation.

"Most Turks have a racist attitude against kurds...they know nothing about the life in south-east region of turkey(which i prefer to call kurdistan) and can easily swear at those guys who they dont know anything about.because of what? because they are thickheaded racists nothing else..and how about the government?turkish government is one of the worsts...only they do about kurdistan is having it on the map...they ignore kurds and when PKK raids another police station they and the press make whole country cry...terror is the worst bla bla...legal governments are real terrorists...and Turkey is an evil country like Israel and USA."

domestos- 11-05-2008
QUOTE (codex @ November 04, 2008 03:54 pm)
what an ignorance !

according to this comedy; PKK's party in Turkish parliamentary "DTP" who got more than %50 of the Kurdish votes is a fundamental Islamist party !

be a man and do not use Kurdish people in order to express your hatred to our religion Islam.

delikanlı ol İslam la peygamberle alıp veremediğin varsa erkek gibi açıkça söyle.

Well if you ask my personal opinion about islam and muhammed, i say he was most probably an epilectic who loves to listen and rewrite the stories in thorah (which was also written by another sicko). But it's not the case, anyone can believe whatever they want.

greekturkish/tiphat.gif

AlperNYC- 11-05-2008
QUOTE (Hassan_Sabbah @ November 05, 2008 11:39 am)
HAHA...i ll spend the rest of my life wherever i want...and it wont be Iraq...or North Kurdi Iraq...because i dont have anyone i know there...i m not kurdish.only a blockhead like you thinks i m one:P

Hasan... Hasso olmus greekturkish/laugh.gif

AlperNYC- 11-05-2008
QUOTE (codex @ November 04, 2008 12:54 pm)
be a man and do not use Kurdish people in order to express your hatred to our religion Islam.

delikanlı ol İslam la peygamberle alıp veremediğin varsa erkek gibi açıkça söyle.

the way i see it some minority have some how adopted a western christian outlook of Turkey where in their minds its okay to insult religion and the masses, or rather should i say this nations faith and beliefs. No way - jose, not on our watch that's for sure.. might get away with it on a internet medium but dont expect the same on our streets or our tv screens

BLISTANBUL- 11-07-2008
QUOTE (Nikephoros @ October 08, 2008 08:04 pm)
To my knowledge three Kurds were on this forum:

Dirii - took an appeasing and concilitary approach still it did not matter for most Turks here: he was harrassed constantly. (Which the Greek left just watched and did nothing, they are more likely to call me Crusader, Nazi, fanatic as they are a moron club.) Hypothesis: Just identifying as a Kurd, which is against official ideology is enough for most Turks.

Mizgin - very open support of HPG defence forces, banned quickly by Domestos (who to the Greek leftist perception is a progressive). She was banned needlessly just for oppossing the official Turkish ideology and having no concilitary approach to this unreasonable ideology. The most fanatic and well dis-behaved Turkish members almost always take alot serious violations to ban. Assertion: Sure why not especially if you live away from Turks. Why not! May as well just support them, at least give the Turks a fake reason since you will be hated no matter as long as you are a Kurd.

Kurdistani - he was not an average Joe. He made two revelations: that he lunched with Norman Stone and revealed where he gets his views on Armenians from, and he also said he met Kendal Nezen of some Kurdish Institute in Europe. Good likelihood that he is family from North Iraq, strangely the Turks largely accepted him.



In Western cities even a Turkish political scientist admits that Kurds have to hide their view for fear of the national fanaticism of their Turkish neighbors. In this forum it has been no different.

Nikepussorus stop stirring shit up, and tells us the real reason for your anger towards Turks. You're obviously bitter because of the past events that have close connection to your family greekturkish/Yes.gif .

codex- 11-10-2008
QUOTE (domestos @ November 06, 2008 01:07 am)
Well if you ask my personal opinion about islam and muhammed, i say he was most probably an epilectic who loves to listen and rewrite the stories in thorah (which was also written by another sicko). But it's not the case, anyone can believe whatever they want.

greekturkish/tiphat.gif

thats nice to hear your honest opinions about Islam. I see you feel free to insult Islam by calling the prophet Muhammed "sicko".

"do not believing it" and "insulting it" are different things. you have right to believe in anything you want but you dont have right to insult anything you want according to Turkish laws. if you insulted Hz Muhammed in public, in Turkey, you would put on the court. of course we are on the internet and that makes many people like you so brave. braver than they actually are.

by the way over %90 of Turkish people do believe in Islam and deeply love prophet Muhammed who was called "sicko" by you. therefore you can be appointed as moderator but you do not present Turkish people nor do you present Turkish side in any platform.

domestos- 11-10-2008
QUOTE (codex @ November 10, 2008 03:53 pm)
thats nice to hear your honest opinions about Islam. I see you feel free to insult Islam by calling the prophet Muhammed "sicko".

"do not believing it" and "insulting it" are different things. you have right to believe in anything you want but you dont have right to insult anything you want according to Turkish laws.  if you insulted Hz Muhammed in public, in Turkey, you would put on the court. of course we are on the internet and that makes many people like you so brave. braver than they actually are.

by the way over %90 of Turkish people do believe in Islam and deeply love prophet Muhammed who was called "sicko" by you. therefore you can be appointed as moderator but you do not present Turkish people nor do you present Turkish side in any platform.

First of all, you just asked me to tell my real opinions about islam and i told. Unlike many of the believers, I'm not a man who dedicates his life to share his thoughts about religion. You just asked and i told. Any problem with that?

Secondly, I'm not insulting anyone. I honestly think that Muhammed had epilepsy. Just like Dostoyevsky and many other overcreative figures in the history. This is not an insult. You just take it as an insult. You act like some kemalists who say they are offended by the mustafa movie.

Thirdly, the word sicko was directed at the guys who wrote a book about a man called moses and filled it with sumerian legends. I suppose i have a right to think like this. DO I?

And lastly, last week turkish law also freed a man who raped an 14 year old kid. So can we rape 14 old girls from now on? Or Turkish courts have banned entering Youtube and blogger. Can you honestly say that you obeyed these decisions too? Do not shape your mind acording to the state's laws. Especially ours. greekturkish/wink kiss.gif

koukla- 11-11-2008
QUOTE (kvk1 @ October 28, 2008 06:46 pm)
Hassan,

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I am your father.

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codex- 11-11-2008
QUOTE (domestos @ November 10, 2008 06:58 pm)
First of all, you just asked me to tell my real opinions about islam and i told. Unlike many of the believers, I'm not a man who dedicates his life to share his thoughts about religion. You just asked and i told. Any problem with that?

Secondly, I'm not insulting anyone. I honestly think that Muhammed had epilepsy. Just like Dostoyevsky and many other overcreative figures in the history. This is not an insult. You just take it as an insult. You act like some kemalists who say they are offended by the mustafa movie.

Thirdly, the word sicko was directed at the guys who wrote a book about a man called moses and filled it with sumerian legends. I suppose i have a right to think like this. DO I?

And lastly, last week turkish law also freed a man who raped an 14 year old kid. So can we rape 14 old girls from now on? Or Turkish courts have banned entering Youtube and blogger. Can you honestly say that you obeyed these decisions too? Do not shape your mind acording to the state's laws. Especially ours. greekturkish/wink kiss.gif

u r twisting subjects.

- hüseyin üzmez is a perverted person for sure.
- it is not like he raped the child, rape crime proved and court released him. thats how u r trying to show the subject.

nobody knows for sure what he actually did to the child. since she is a child and he is a perverted person, something is seriously wrong. but claiming that he raped the girl is just something you through out of your azz. why are u doing is because turkish press made you to do it.

what upsets me about this üzmez stuff; press puts all these energy to subject why? is that because they think having intercourse with a 15 years girl is wrong? no... thats because the subject is known as an islamic person who was working for one of the radical islamist newspaper. thats the reason of all the attentions!!! nobody cares about that poor girl. all they care about is; how can they take advantage of this crime.

i dont know u well but if u are a honest person read this article written by Ayşe ARMAN - Hürriyet who encourages 13 years old children (2 years younger than Üzmez's victim) to have sex and explain why nobody even aware of such an article !!!

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27 ekim 2008
Ayşe ARMAN
HÜRRİYET

Doğum kontrol hapını kızına elleriyle içirtti

İkinci eşimin ilk eşinden olan kızı, 13'üne bastığında annesi kendi jinekoloğundan randevu aldı ve kızı için doğum kontrol hapı reçetesi istedi. Sonra da kızını karşısına alarak, hapları almaya başlamasının neden önemli olduğunu, nasıl kullanması gerektiğini, çok güzel bir kız olduğu için okuldaki erkek arkadaşlarının ilgisini çekmesinin doğal olduğunu, seksin tabu olmadığını, ancak tercihen ilk denemesinin karşılıklı derin duygular yaşadığı bir kişiyle olmasının önemini, aksi halde duygusal travma yaşayabileceğini, çok doğru seçimler yapmasının ilerideki cinsel yaşamını etkileyebileceğini söyledi. İlk hapı da kendi elleriyle kızına verip içirtti. Merak edenler olur diye: Olay, Quebec'de yaşandı. Yıl 1972, ülke Kanada.

Saygılar. (Aygen T.)

- Çok çok teşekkürler Aygen Bey. Türkiye'de pek çok insanın "Aman Allah'ım olur mu böyle rezillik!" deyip kınayacağı bir öykü. Bense bayıldım. 30 yıl önce Kanada'da yaşanan bu diyaloğun benzerini Türkiye'de yaşayabilmemiz için 30 yıl daha mı geçmesi gerekiyor?
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codex- 11-11-2008
this was not the topic's subject I apologize about that but since we came here, i like to post an article from another journalist as answer to Ayşe ARMAN.

http://www.srt.com.tr/koseyazilari/388/13-...-normal-mi.aspx

13 YAŞINDA CİNSELLİK NORMAL Mİ?


Konu: Bir okurunun maili ve yazarın cevabı.
Konu başlığı: Doğum kontrol hapını kızına elleriyle içirtti
Yazar: Ayşe Arman.

‘'İkinci eşimin ilk eşinden olan kızı, 13'üne bastığında annesi kendi jinekoloğundan randevu aldı ve kızı için doğum kontrol hapı reçetesi istedi. Sonra da kızını karşısına alarak, hapları almaya başlamasının neden önemli olduğunu, nasıl kullanması gerektiğini, çok güzel bir kız olduğu için okuldaki erkek arkadaşlarının ilgisini çekmesinin doğal olduğunu, seksin tabu olmadığını, ancak tercihen ilk denemesinin karşılıklı derin duygular yaşadığı bir kişiyle olmasının önemini, aksi halde duygusal travma yaşayabileceğini, çok doğru seçimler yapmasının ilerideki cinsel yaşamını etkileyebileceğini söyledi. İlk hapı da kendi elleriyle kızına verip içirtti. Merak edenler olur diye: Olay, Quebec'de yaşandı. Yıl 1972, ülke Kanada.
Saygılar. (Aygen T.)''

- Çok, çok teşekkürler Aygen Bey.
Türkiye'de pek çok insanın "Aman Allah'ım olur mu böyle rezillik!" deyip kınayacağı bir öykü. Bense bayıldım.
‘'30 yıl önce Kanada'da yaşanan bu diyaloğun benzerini Türkiye'de yaşayabilmemiz için 30 yıl daha mı geçmesi gerekiyor?''

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İşte bu son cümle var ya, kanımı dondurdu.
Öyle bu ne rezillik ayarında falan değil, bu dehşet verici bir durum niteliğinde.
Çünkü sokakta ki vatandaştan duymuyorum,
Ulusal bir gazetenin köşe yazarının satırlarından okuyorum.
Kadın köşe yazarından.

*Tamam, artık ülkemizde dahi evlilik dışı ilişki medya sayesinde normal.
*Tamam, evlilik dışı çocuk sahibi olmak normal.
*Eşcinsellik dahi normal.

Ve tüm bunlar özgürlük başlığı altında şiddetli şekilde savunulmakta.
Tüm bunlar özgür olmanın, modern olmanın şartları şeklinde milletimize yutturulmakta.

Hadi bunlara 18 yaşını doldurmuşsa kanunlar da bir şey dememekte.
İsteyen istediğini yapar, her koyun kendi bacağından asılır şeklinde yaklaşalım, yaklaşıyoruz zaten.
Ne duruma geldik, ahlakımız çöktü gitti cümlelerini de boş verelim.
Boş veriyoruz ya zaten.
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Lakin yukarıda ki örnekte bahsedilen, 13 yaşında bir çocuk.
Ve yazar 13 yaşında ki bir çocuğun, okula giden bir çocuğun,
Cinsel ilişki kurmasına, bunu ailesinin desteklemesine bayılıp, özenip bu durumun Türkiye'de olmamasından yakınıyor.

Hadi kafasında ki düşünce bu bize ne diyelim,
Ama bunu örnek olması gereken satırlardan ilan ediyor.
Yine özgürlük zırhı ile elbette.

Lakin aynı kişiler, aynı düşünce, aynı özgürlükçü beyinler
15–16 yaşlarında evlendirilen çocukları görünce ortalığı ayağa kaldırıp
*Bu daha çocuk,
*Okuması gerek,
*Oyun oynaması gerek,
*Bu psikolojik travma sebebidir diye tozu, dumana katıyorlar.

*13-14-15 yaşlar evlilik için çok erken, çok yanlış da,
Gayrı meşru cinsel ilişki ve doğum kontrol hapı kullanmak için çok mu ideal?
*Yani bu işi doğuda ki vatandaş yapınca geri kafalı, yobaz, cahil de
Kanadalı bir kadının kızı yapınca, çok normal, modern ve doğru mu?

*Bu memleketin aydınlarının anladığı modernlik bumudur yani?

*Çocuklar akşamları anne babalarına flörtlerini anlatıp, korunma yöntemlerini sorunca mı, yüksek medeniyetler seviyesine çıkmış olacağız?

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Ama az kaldı, bu da olacak.
Bunun olması için canı gönülden uğraşanlar üzülmesinler,
Belki otuz sene, belki otuz ay, belki otuz gün.
Beklediklerine değecek,
Çünkü bu memlekette maalesef
Özgürlük ve modernlik = ya soyunmak, ya sevişmek!


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