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Spartan King- 03-28-2007
QUOTE (Τεμενος @ March 28, 2007 10:51 pm)
wtf are you talking about?

what germany and hitler?

what happened to the jews was a simple payback to the thousands of greeks that were sluaghtered in halkidiki, thessaoloniki, grevena, veroia and mt olympus in the hands of jews 50 yrs before...

jews turks and slavs ante geia..

ok...?

if you want to allign this with nazis, be my guest..but what traitor kai saxlamares, it was us that fought for the region to stay with greece ante pidiksou malakistiri.

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Carry on with the personal abuse, you will only get banned.

I will say this, on this forum, not a single Greek likes you, and we have Greeks from every angle of the political spectrum. Think about that.





Τεμενος- 03-28-2007
personal abuse, you're the one calling me a traitor this and that

you can dish it but can't take it, what are you a child?

Τεμενος- 03-28-2007
you just don't like the truth!

malaka, ante ban me you faggot!

ENANTIWN OLWN.


Spartan King- 03-28-2007
QUOTE (Τεμενος @ March 28, 2007 10:56 pm)
personal abuse, you're the one calling me a traitor this and that

you can dish it but can't take it, what are you a child?

No, calling somone a traitor for their political views is not personal abuse, especially when their views are supportive of a foreign force that almost ruined Greece, murdered tens of thousands of Greeks, led to the starvation of countless thousands, and also dragged us into a civil war.

By the way, you have been accusing Chris of being a traitor all day, I did not treat that as personal abuse either.

Telling people to go and get fucked or calling them wankers is personal abuse.

It is not a particularly difficult concept to understand.

Τεμενος- 03-28-2007
supporting what foreign force????

no one supprted foreign forces that i know of...

i have had family memebers dying in the hands of communists though just because they owned a shop

whose the traitor fvckface?

delusions of grandeur????

chris was kicked out of greece for being a TRAITOR

ask him to speak bulgarika to you!

Spartan King- 03-28-2007
QUOTE (Τεμενος @ March 28, 2007 11:01 pm)
you just don't like the truth!

malaka, ante ban me you faggot!

ENANTIWN OLWN.

"I do not separate people, as do the narrow-minded. I only distinguish them on the basis of their virtue. For me each good foreigner is a Greek and each bad Greek is worse than a barbarian."

Alexander the Great 324 BC

You are a bad Greek, and worse than any foreigner I have come accross.

Enjoy basking in your own ignorance and hate, I just hope that one day when you grow up, you will be able to stop being so confused.

Τεμενος- 03-28-2007
yes no problem for my families involvement in slaughtering communists and keepng northern greece with greece

happy to be a "bad greek"

Spartan King- 03-28-2007
QUOTE (Τεμενος @ March 28, 2007 11:03 pm)
supporting what foreign force????

no one supprted foreign forces that i know of...

i have had family memebers dying in the hands of communists though just because they owned a shop

whose the traitor fvckface?

delusions of grandeur????

chris was kicked out of greece for being a TRAITOR

ask him to speak bulgarika to you!

The abuse will be edited out, carry on and you know the drill...

As for Chris, he was never kicked out of anywhere, from his age, he is a child of the early Papandreou era, I suspect you are implying that his family had to leave after the civil war due to their political beliefs, I am not here to speak about Chris or his family, nor am I privy to any of that information. As far as I am concerned Greek history from the the civil war period up until 1974 is nothing to be particularly proud of.

As to your family suffering at the hands of communists in the civil war, that is beside the point, every family in Greece can point to family atrocities either committed by the communists or the government forces.

The key here, is that your hatred of communism (a very anachronistic hatred, as it seems the news that communism is all but dead seems to have missed you), has led you to the worship of Nazis and you have even praised the Germans who executed Greeks for fun, and sent other GREEKS from your part of Greece into the gas chambers. You have also made posts which verge on an admission that your family collaborated with the Nazis.

Anyway, I have wasted more time than you are worth discussing with you.

Feel free to have the final word.


Τεμενος- 03-28-2007
you are delusioned

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You have also made posts which verge on an admission that your family collaborated with the Nazis.


hmmm really, you're screwed up mate....where where where???

making up your own myths?

all i said on the battlefield in ww2 germans showed honor..my papou was set free after a battle with the germans if they surrendered their guns.

germans killing greeks???.. ffs greeks were killing greeks for russia 10 years before the arrival of germans!

Chris- 03-29-2007
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if you want to allign this with nazis, be my guest..but what traitor kai saxlamares, it was us that fought for the region to stay with greece ante pidiksou malakistiri.


right on Tem...along side with other companions in the Security battalions of Tsolakoglou ...its not what you did BEFORE the Greek Army surrendered,but AFTER......Deutchland Deutchland Uber Aaaaaaaalles

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germans killing greeks???

i said it before and i'll say it again...once a threacherous cocksucker,always a treacherous cocksucker....and you call yourself Greek you Nazi loving EFIALTIS..i piss on you

Deman68- 03-29-2007
QUOTE (Chris @ March 28, 2007 02:30 pm)
you know most of the big money was made during the occupation .....many of the prestigious businessmen in Greece made their money in the black market of Occupied Athens selling loafs of bread for gold and land....

aint life grand?

when many Greeks were dying in the Streets for want of a loaf of bread


i have heard of some terrible stories of the beginning of the occupation and the starvation, and how during it, how cosy many greek businessmen got with the Germans, and fleeced the greek population.....

is it ever different Chris?...and now there seen as respectable business men and evergetes as well... greekturkish/shakehead.gif

Evropeos- 04-18-2007
Greek envoy honoured by Jewish-American group


WASHINGTON (ANA-MPA / L. Papantoniou)

The Jewish-American organisation B'Nai B'rith honoured Greece's ambassador to the United States Alexandros Mallias for a series of cultural events dedicated to Greek Jews.

Addressing an official dinner inaugurating the events, Mallias referred to the lessons that the Holocaust can teach to younger generations, underlining the importance of history for the two peoples and the need to defend it from distortions.

B'Nai B'rith Vice-President Dan Mariaschin referred, on his part, to the "great progress in Greek-Israeli relations in past decades", noting that Israel "is Greece's biggest commercial partner in the Middle East."

Mariaschin also underlined that during the Nazi occupation, the Orthodox Church of Greece, Greek personalities and citizens offered refuge to their fellow Jewish citizens, before bestowing an honorary distinction to Mallias.

source

Xtanbul- 04-18-2007
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Letter from Thessaloniki

A long tradition of anti-Semitism

Reuters
Photo: An Israeli soldier sits on a tank in Rosh Hanikra, near the Lebanese border, yesterday. Many Greek press commentaries about the Mideast conflict have been colored by traditional Greek skepticism toward Israel.

By Spyros Payiatakis

“If what is being written or reported by most journalists on the war in Lebanon expresses the public opinion in our country, then I conclude that what interests us is not to look more closely into the real problem of the affair. We merely wish that the Jews may lose, and that’s all,” a commentator noted yesterday in To Vima newspaper. And the paper’s popular Pandora column concluded by remarking: “How strange that composer Mikis Theodorakis, who has maintained that ‘Jews are at the root of evil’ has not spoken out yet.”

Well, let’s face it, one cannot call it systematic anti-Semitism. But there is unquestionably a “time-honored antipathy toward Jews,” as Kathimerini commentator Pantelis Boukalas once expressed it.

Let’s admit it for once: There is anti-Semitism in Greece and it is not just prevalent now that Israel is pursuing a successful and predatory course of military expansion and it is not just among extreme rightists and leftists, but is embedded in mainstream society. Well, at least in Thessaloniki.

There are figures to prove this: Something less than 5 percent of this city’s Jewish population escaped deportation compared with a big-hearted 50 percent in the Greek capital in the years 1943 to 1944.

Having lived in Thessaloniki - a city that has been called “Madre de Israel” (Mother to Israel) - a place which once had the largest and most prosperous Jewish community of the diaspora, I still have memories of Holy Easter Saturdays and our Christian “custom” of burning an effigy of Judas in the courtyard of several churches. (In general practice, if not in actual statute, the official Greek Orthodox Church has repeatedly condemned the action.)

My ears still ring with all those conspiracy theories I heard as a child in which Jews were the protagonists. And I still remember hearing them referred to as “Theoktoni” (God killers).

Sure enough, Christian Greeks and Thessaloniki Jews have lived for centuries together in this city, though never too close. A careful society has always tended to keep a proper distance between the two.

“Salonica’s Jews had given the victorious Greek army a cool welcome,” comments Mark Mazower in his monumental study “Salonica, City of Ghosts” when describing the liberation of Thessaloniki in 1912, possibly with the divine assistance of the city’s patron saint Dimitrios, as some maintain.

At the time, many Jews had serious doubts about a future Greek administration. According to Mazower: “Warning that annexation by Greece would be economically disastrous, cutting off the city from its traditional markets, some Jewish leaders proposed instead that Salonica and its environs should, in effect, become an autonomous statelet guaranteed by the Great Powers, a Jewish-run metropolis detached from the rivalries of its Balkan neighbors.”

It was the time when one of the founders of the World Zionist Organization and author of some controversial books (“The Conventional Lies of Our Civilization,” “Degeneration” and such), Max Simon Nordau (1849-1923), exhorted Thessaloniki’s Jews to “favor the barbarous Bulgarians rather than the civilized Greeks.” Yet how is one to measure barbarism, civilization and Theodor Herzl-styled Zionism?

In Istanbul a Turkish-Jewish-Vlach-Macedonian Committee was formed to promote the idea. Furthermore, some prominent Jewish Ottoman sympathizers may have gone even further and promised the Ottoman government financial support if it continued to fight against the Balkan states.

Similar events can be neither be forgotten or forgiven. This could eventually explain the more or less general indifference when the city’s Jews were gathered for their no-return voyage to a Polish concentration camp.

“The silence from Salonica’s professional classes was deafening,” notes Mazower. “From the university professors and students, the business and lawyers’ associations, there was barely a whisper.”

And in his book “In Memoriam” Michael Molcho adds, “The rumor circulated insistently in Salonica, especially among the Jews, that the government was not entirely opposed to the idea of deporting the Jewish element, and this because the government sought thus to attain a double end, that of assuring the racial homogeneity of the population and of facilitating the settlement of refugees from Thrace and Macedonia who had flooded the city.”

Yet it was not just the Greek “anti-Semitism” or “the German SS officials whose harsh behavior seemed so frightening,” notes Mazower, a Jew himself. “The Hirsch camp became notorious as a place where the leaders of the Jewish police tortured, exhorted and killed their fellow-Jews in order to force them to reveal where their possessions were kept.”

Furthermore, the role of the town’s chief rabbi Koretz remains unclear to this day.

Opinion polls may have revealed signs of anti-Semitism, Islamophobia, misogyny and homophobia over the years - and not just in Greece - yet it all depends on whose sympathetic ears a well-informed propaganda campaign may fall.

http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w_artic...4/07/2006_72418


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Anti-Semitism in Greece: Embedded in Society

An Interview with Moses Altsech

Anti-Semitism in Greece occurs not only among extreme rightists and leftists. It is embedded in Greek mainstream society and manifests itself in religious contexts, education, politics and the media. Jews are often not perceived as true Greeks, although many families have lived there since the 15th century.

A Eurobarometer survey in the year 2000 showed Greece to have the highest degree of xenophobia in the European Union.

Greek mainstream media regularly uses the terms "genocide," "Holocaust" and the names of concentration camps drawing a parallel between Nazi Germany and Israel today. In this, Greece is more similar to Syria and Iran than to the Western world.

As the Greek Jewish community is small and not very vocal, the international condemnations of Greek anti-Semitism by the Simon Wiesenthal Center, Anti-Defamation League and others are especially important.

Jews Not Perceived as True Greeks

"Anti-Semitism occurs in Greece not only among extreme rightists and leftists, but is embedded in Greek mainstream society. It manifests itself in many ways: in a religious context, in education, in the application of the law, in the media, and through politically-motivated anti-Semitism in the major parties, as well."

Greek-born Moses Altsech teaches at Edgewood College in Madison, Wisconsin, and has long researched anti-Semitism in his native country. He asserts that for the ordinary citizen, to be Greek means to be white, ethnic Greek and Greek Orthodox, even if this is not stated explicitly. "In view of the way most Greeks perceive their identity, they have difficulty understanding how someone who is not Christian can be truly Greek.

"For political reasons, the Turks in northeastern Greece are never mentioned as a Turkish minority, but as a Muslim one. There are few blacks in Greece, but even if they are born in the country and speak the language fluently, many people do not perceive them as Greek. My family has been in the country - like most Greek Jews - since the end of the fifteenth century, after their expulsion from Spain. We are still not considered true Greeks because of the mainstream perceptions of what it means to be Greek. It doesn't enter the average person's mind that someone can be fully Greek without being Orthodox. This exclusion is fueled by both religious and educational elements which have given most Greek people an 'us versus them' mentality in relation to the Jews.

"A 2000 Eurobarometer survey showed that 38 percent of Greeks - the highest percentage in the European Union - were troubled by the presence of people of other nationalities living in their country. I think that when the survey was taken, the Greeks were referring to the Albanians, in particular. The popular notion was that crime became rampant because of the Albanian immigration - as if there had been none before. In that survey, 24 percent of Greeks said they were bothered by the presence of people of another race, and 21 percent were bothered by those of another religion living in Greece. These were among the highest percentages in EU countries.1 On 12 March 2004, Chrysi Avghi (Golden Dawn), the new weekly newspaper of the Neo-Nazi organization of that name, cited another survey indicating that the percentage of Greeks who view immigrants unfavorably is 89 percent.2

"This xenophobia causes all minorities - religious or ethnic - to adopt defensive postures and to feel the constant need to reaffirm their patriotism and to prove that they are truly Greek. In a democracy this should not occur. Jews were never easily identified as such in Greece, except by their names; yet they were usually treated as foreign elements in society. The best way to explain this is that Jews and other minorities were only reluctantly tolerated in Greece. This means that Greeks were willing to put up with minorities rather than accept them."

Attitudes toward Israel

"Negative attitudes in Greece toward Israel are clear-cut and shared by the majority of the population. Not only in obscure anti-Semitic journals, but also in mainstream media, one sees many comparisons between Israel and the Nazis. These papers frequently claim that Israelis are engaging in genocide against the Palestinian people.

"References to Auschwitz, Mauthausen and Dachau are often made in cartoons depicting Israeli soldiers as Nazi soldiers. Government officials and politicians occasionally make similar remarks. Mainstream media callously and indiscriminately uses terms such as 'genocide,' and 'Holocaust' against Israel. In this, Greece is more similar to Syria and Iran than to the Western world.

"A typical example of such mainstream racism was the blatant referral to Israeli military actions as 'genocide' in March 2002 by the Socialist Speaker of Greek Parliament, Apostolos Kaklamanis. This attitude was supported by government spokesman Christos Protopapas, who said that Kaklamanis spoke 'with sensitivity and responsibility...expressing the sentiments of the Parliament and Greek people.'"3

Anti-Americanism and Attacks on Israel

Altsech adds: "Anti-Israel feelings are also linked to anti-American ones. Anti-Americanism has been rampant in Greece for decades for a variety of reasons. The day after 9/11, the Ta Nea daily - which is reputed to have the largest circulation in Greece and is close to the then ruling Socialist Pasok party - printed a black-framed front page with a picture of the World Trade Center being hit by a plane with only a brief caption saying that this was a big tragedy. It then proceeded to ask what the world could fear from the American paranoid reaction, which would threaten world peace. Although the paper, like most Greeks, was sympathetic to Americans at that moment, its perception of the event was insane and distorted.

"Much anti-Americanism originates in residual sentiments from the days of the Greek civil war at the end of World War II, when American support of right-wing resistance fighters helped keep communist resistance groups from gaining control of the country. The military dictatorship, which overthrew the democratic Greek government and ruled Greece from 1967 until democracy was fully restored in 1974, was backed by the United States, although it did not instigate the coup. This led to additional resentment against the United States.

"Many Greeks also perceive that after the Turkish invasion of Cyprus, the Americans supported Turkey in many respects. Given that Turkey has been the archenemy of Greece since Byzantine times, all these combined perceptions have created a strong anti-American current in public opinion. The war in Kosovo inflamed anti-American sentiment, as Greeks alone stood by their Christian Orthodox Serb brethren against NATO's bombing to stop the Serb massacre of ethnic Albanians. With the recent war in Iraq, anti-American sentiment has become pan-European, but in Greece, it has long-standing roots.

"Very often, demonstrations take place in front of the American embassy from where the pro-*test*-('")ers walk to the Israeli embassy. In these demonstrations, comparisons of the Star of David with the swastika are rife.4 There is the strong popular notion that the Zionists and the Jews - the words are used interchangeably - are very powerful through the Jewish lobby in America. Often Jews and Zionists are mentioned as perpetrators of crime who operate through an international conspiracy."

A Country with Selected Brethren

"Greeks will regularly tell you that they back the Palestinians and are strongly anti-Israel out of solidarity with the oppressed and suffering Palestinians. However, in the mid-90s, when the Christian Orthodox Serbs were slaughtering the Bosnian Muslims and committing many war crimes, the great majority of Greeks supported the Serbs. There were major anti-NATO demonstrations and strong pro-Serb and anti-American political statements were common.

"Former Greek President Christos Sartzetakis once made the famous statement: 'Greeks are a nation without brethren.' Yet there are frequent references to 'our Palestinian brothers.' There is also proof that the Greek socialist government sympathized with Arab terrorist murderers of Jews."

In a study on Greek anti-Semitism he published almost ten years ago under the pen name Daniel Perdurant, Altsech wrote that at the end of 1988 under Pasok rule "following a judicial investigation, the Athens Court of Appeals and the Greek Supreme Court decided that Abdel Osama Al-Zomar, an alleged Palestinian terrorist apprehended in Greece, should be extradited to Italy to face charges of bombing the synagogue of Rome in October 1982, injuring thirty-four people and killing a three-year-old child. Greek Justice Minister V. Rotis used his authority to overrule the court decisions, stating that Osama's acts were part of the 'Palestinian struggle for liberation of their homeland, and, therefore, cannot be considered acts of terrorism.'"5

Altsech comments: "Rotis compared these deeds to the acts of terrorism as part of anti-Nazi resistance during World War II. Osama could choose a country to fly to and went to Libya. The Washington Post wrote that Greece had rolled out a red carpet for terrorists.6

"In October 2003, Ta Nea interviewed the artist Alexandros Psychoulis, who was organizing an exhibition in Athens concerning the heroism of an Arab female suicide bomber who blew herself up in a Jerusalem supermarket in March 2003. The artist said 'that the title "Body Milk" brings together both female cosmetics and the human milk of an 18-year-old Palestinian girl bomber in an Israeli supermarket....A very beautiful girl, educated, in love...of an army of women in the women's space of the supermarket...the supermarket is a super female provider. If she blows herself up there, she is magnifying her existence and her act.' Ta Nea wrote that the pink lace embroidery montage displayed an Arab woman with a bomb belt, who was 'heroically obliterating an Israeli supermarket.'7

Violence and Threats

"Until recently, violence had not been physically expressed against Jews. Earlier this year, however, Mordechai Frisis, the rabbi of Salonika, described having been the target of an attack at a train station.8 In the past, Jewish property has occasionally been damaged. In the 1980s, a Jewish-owned travel agency in Athens was bombed during closing hours, and so there were no victims. Also, a company that imported Israeli solar heaters was bombed."

Altsech considers that although Greek Jews have substantial first-hand experience of anti-Semitism, the problem is not widely known beyond their country's borders. "Jews thrived in Greece for centuries. However, 65-67,000 of them were murdered by the Germans during the Holocaust; as high as 92 percent of the Jewish population according to some estimates. Because there are fewer than 5,000 Jews left in the country, Greek anti-Semitism received very little international attention until recently.

This may be changing. After several earlier publications on the subject, in April 2004 the Simon Wiesenthal Center (SWC) wrote to the newly elected Prime Minister, Kostas Karamanlis of the New Democrat party, that the Greek National Tourist Organization promoted the Easter ritual of 'burning [the effigy] of Judas' as a tourist attraction. Hundreds of local ceremonies carried out this ritual sometimes described as the 'Burning of the Jew.' One Greek town replaced this custom with an innovative 'Burning of the Nigger' ritual."

The same letter also mentioned that Greece had dedicated the musical score of the 2004 Olympics to the leftist anti-Semitic composer, Mikis Theodorakis, who had also served as a cabinet minister in a New Democracy-led coalition government that briefly ousted Andreas Papandreou from power in the early 90s. Earlier this year, Theodorakis had publicly stated that the Jews are "the root of all evil."

Altsech relates his personal experiences: "Occasionally threats and phone-calls are made to Jews, which have nothing to do with the situation in the Middle East. I was already receiving them when I was a student and had never published anything yet. In the apartment building where we lived in Athens, we had wooden paneling on the outside with the names of all the residents on it. One day in the late 1980s, someone carved with a knife 'Jews, you will die' next to our name. The late Joseph Lovinger, then Central Board of Jewish Communities in Greece (CJB) President, a concentration camp survivor, told me that he received such threatening phone-calls regularly and just hung up.

"The Jewish community has usually tried to keep a low profile. When I was studying anti-Semitism in Greece, Lovinger told me: 'Don't dig into these matters. Don't rock the boat. There is no anti-Semitism in Greece.' I said, 'Mr. Lovinger, look at the evidence in your own files; the newspaper articles, the swastikas and graffiti, the stickers that I got off the streets saying 'Out with the Foreigners' and 'Zionism is Our Misfortune.' He shrugged it off, saying that 'Anti-Semitism is when one chases you down the street with a stick to crack your skull open. You keep a low profile and you'll never get that.' I thought that it sounded like the reaction of the Jews in Germany in the early thirties. I don't think the attitude has changed enough, if at all."

Anti-Semitism in the Media

"Major dailies often follow a two-faced approach to Jews. Socialist newspapers, such as Avriani, Ta Nea or Ethnos, among others, have often made anti-Semitic remarks, published blatantly anti-Semitic letters from readers and, from time to time, printed editorials against anti-Semitism and xenophobia.

"Some more extreme media is overtly anti-Semitic. This includes a television channel Tele-Asty which has a program which often includes extreme anti-Semitic remarks about both Jews and Zionists under the pretense of defending Greek Orthodoxy and the nation. For some newspapers with small circulations, promoting anti-Semitism is a major activity. The weekly Stochos is a primary example, as is Chrysi Avghi.

"In Greece, one does not have to buy newspapers to read their anti-Semitic remarks. Many kiosks hang such newspapers with pegs from a wire all day while weeklies hang there for the entire week. One can thus read the front page regardless of whether or not one actually purchases the paper. Sometimes this page is blatantly anti-Semitic. Stochos has even serialized The Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Consequently, one no longer has to buy the book, which is not terribly hard to find in Greek bookstores in the first place."

Multiple Desecrations

"Violence against Jews is also expressed through the frequent desecration of synagogues, cemeteries and monuments, including Holocaust Memorials. So are street signs like that of the Street of the Jewish Martyrs in Salonika. Swastikas and anti-Israeli and pro-Palestinian slogans have been painted on such memorials, while headstones in cemeteries have been broken."

In December 1999, there were graffiti on the walls of the synagogue in Chalkis. In April 2000, the Holocaust Memorial in Salonika to the 50,000 Jewish inhabitants deported and murdered during the Nazi era was desecrated. On the same day, swastikas were drawn on the walls of the Monastirioton Synagogue in the city.9

On 25 May 2000, fifty tombstones in the Athens Jewish cemetery, as well as the building used for burial services, were desecrated. At the same time, anti-Semitic slogans, such as "Juden Raus" and SS symbols, appeared on the Holocaust Memorial in Athens. On the previous day, swastikas and slogans such as "Death to the Jews" had been scrawled on the walls of the houses of the late actress and Greek Minister of Culture, Melina Mercouri, and her husband, the Jewish film director Jules Dassin.10

In May 2001, a Molotov cocktail was thrown outside the Larissa Synagogue. The Jewish cemetery in Trikala was desecrated that year for the fifth time since 1993. Also, the Jewish cemetery of Xanthe and the Holocaust monument in Kastoria were daubed with swastikas.11

On 15 April 2002 - one day after a Holocaust Memorial service at the monument - the Holocaust Memorial in Salonika was again desecrated with red paint to suggest bloodshed. On the same day, the Jewish cemetery at Ioannina was desecrated.12

In July 2002, parts of the Holocaust Memorial in Rhodes were irreversibly destroyed. It had only been officially unveiled a few weeks earlier on 23 June. The Jewish community had reported that the harassment of the workers during the construction of the monument necessitated 24-hour police protection. The Ioannina synagogue was daubed with neo-Nazi symbols and slogans in August 2003. In October of that year, the cemetery in that town was again desecrated.13 In both 2002 and 2004, the Holocaust Memorial in the northern Greek city of Drama was daubed with anti-Semitic slogans.14

Says Altsech: "In Greece, one finds a great deal of anti-Semitic and anti-Israeli graffiti and posters plastered in the street. Major newspapers publish anti-Semitic letters from readers. On 15 May 2002, the pro-Socialist daily, Eleftherotypia, published one saying: 'Jews today are lucky that no one intends to deprive them of the right to be called human beings, when they aren't...it's a proven fact that Jews are untrustworthy and fickle. They infiltrate societies, first playing the poor soul to generate pity and then, when the time comes, they'll grab you by the throat.'15

"At the same time regular Holocaust Memorial ceremonies do take place in the presence of political personalities. The government always sends a high-ranking official, usually the Minister of Education and Religious Affairs. The Greek Orthodox Church also sends a senior clergyman. It is a fairly standard observance, which the Jewish community organizes. Here, again, one finds the two-faced character of Greek society."

Pasok's Anti-Semitism

Altsech comments further on the political scene: "In the past, anti-Israeli attitudes were more-or-less specific to Pasok and the smaller left-wing parties. In the early 1980s, Andreas Papandreou, Pasok's leader and Greece's Prime Minister, was fiercely anti-American. At that time, he was already publicly calling the Israelis Nazis.

"There were anti-Semitic texts in state-issued schoolbooks; anti-Semitic or anti-Israeli articles - nobody saw the difference - appeared in magazines. In July 1982, after the Israeli invasion of Lebanon, Yannis Loulis, who wrote for the daily Mesimvrini, accused the pro-Socialist press of supporting anti-Semitism. Eleftherotypia referred to 'Israeli Nazis,' Ta Nea called the Israelis 'worthy descendants of Hitler', and Ethnos ran a front page headline declaring that the Israelis had surpassed the Nazis, a motif one frequently finds in Arab countries.16

"Papandreou's words led to an extreme state of insecurity among the Greek Jews and to an outcry against his statement. The next year, in an attempt to repair the damage, he declared that 'Greek Jews are an integral part of the Greek people and the government is determined to take whatever measures necessary to deal with anti-Semitic incidents.'17

"That same year, however, Pasok MP, Ioannis Koutsoyannis, inundated the Greek Parliament with a flood of anti-Semitic remarks, praising the book Zionist Conspiracies, written by a notorious Greek anti-Semite, and blaming 'the Jews, the Masons, the CIA and [former Israeli Defense Minister] Moshe Dayan' for preparing and coordinating the April 1967 military coup that took place in Greece.18 These remarks were made in the presence of the Prime Minister, and the speaker was heartily applauded by his Socialist colleagues."

An Athens Mayor's Prejudice

"In 1986, a regular session of the Athens City Council received national - and international - attention because of comments made by the Socialist mayor, Dimitris Beis. At one point during the session, there was some noise and confusion, which the mayor described as 'havra' - an insulting term which equates noise and tumult with Jews praying in unison in the synagogue. The mayor defended his remarks, and mocked those who pro-*test*-('")ed.

"An article in Apoghevmatini noted that at the time when Jews were being blamed for everything from forest fires to the Chernobyl meltdown, the mayor could expose his prejudice openly without concern about losing votes from a few Jewish citizens.19 New York Mayor, Ed Koch, referred to Beis' comments in his New York Post article about Greek anti-Semitism.20

"In 2002, Theodoros Pangalos, a former Pasok foreign minister and EU commissioner led a pro-*test*-('") march to the Israeli embassy. Because it was the Saturday of Passover, the embassy was closed. Pangalos then suggested that since the embassy was in Greece, it should respect the customs of its host country, and that not receiving the pro-*test*-('") on the Sabbath of Passover was an insult to Greece.

After Pasok's electoral defeat to New Democracy in 2004, the outgoing Prime Minister Simitis, accused of not having handed power over to his successor, George Papandreou, early enough to give his party a better chance at victory, was referred to as "the Jew Simitis" in a derogatory front page article of the pro-Pasok daily Avriani on 11 March.

New Democracy

"Under Pasok, Greece only recognized Israel de facto. In 1990, more than forty years after Israel became independent, Israel was recognized de jure, by the conservative New Democracy Mitsotakis government, which had come to power a year before. In recent years, some members of the New Democracy Party - which had been in opposition for a long time - have moved further to the right and have begun to publicly and unashamedly express and condone anti-Semitic views.

"One of these was MP George Karatzaferis. He was expelled from the party only because he made derogatory remarks, insinuating a homosexual relationship between Karamanlis, then leader of New Democracy in opposition, and his press secretary. Had Karatzaferis remained in the party until it came to power, he would have probably been given a prominent ministerial position. Karatzaferis now runs his own small right wing party, Laos. His party narrowly missed inclusion in the Greek Parliament in the 2004 election. In the June 2004 elections for the European parliament, the party, however, gained one seat.

"The New Democrats did not want to expel Karatzaferis despite his anti-Semitic remarks. Their party was gaining strength, slowly but steadily, and was looking for all possible support in order to come to power. It narrowly lost the previous parliamentary elections in 2000. Karatzaferis' many anti-Semitic comments in media he controlled, were not so relevant to them. In Greece, there is no political benefit in standing up for the 5,000 Jews. Nobody cares about them. Nor is there a public outcry against racist politicians, anti-Semitism or xenophobia."

Some New Democracy members of Parliament in 2000, along with several members of the Union of Retired Army Officers, participated in a celebration with Chrysi Avghi, which uses red, white and black swastika-like runic symbols.

Also in 2000, on 6 September, New Democracy MP Yakoumatos, speaking before Parliament, referred to the opposition Pasok MPs as "Judases, with [Prime Minister Costas] Simitis as the First High Priest of Judaism."

"New Democracy won the Parliamentary election of 2004, and is now in government. Some of its prominent members have openly expressed anti-Semitic views in the past, and even Prime Minister-elect Kostas Karamanlis warmly received Theodorakis, whose name has been mentioned by analysts as the ruling party's likely nominee for the Presidency of the Republic of Greece."

The Chania Synagogue Case

In 1999 the reconstructed synagogue of Chania on the island of Crete was reopened. The president of the region, George Katsanevakis, a member of the small left-wing Synaspismos party, wrote a letter to the CJB in which he said that the precondition for the creation and operation of places of worship is the existence of a fair number of faithful, which does not exist in this specific case.

Katsanevakis wondered: "Since, unfortunately, no Jews remain in Chania, to whom will the operation and ceremonies of the synagogue be directed? To the memorial that is empty of faithful, to the slow-thinking tourists, or to a congregation transferred from elsewhere?"21

The region's president added another double-faced remark to his xenophobic letter: "Of course, we reject as unsubstantiated the rumors circulating in Crete about an invasion of Zionist capital, whose objective is to upset our national conscience and identity."22

The Greek Orthodox Church

Several former prominent Church leaders are still heroic figures for Greek Jews due to their efforts to save them during the Holocaust, most notably Archbishop Damaskinos and the Metropolitan of Zakynthos. In the more recent past, however, several Metropolitans have engaged in blatantly hateful anti-Semitic propaganda. The Church's official position has been that Metropolitans are autonomous, and although the Church does not condone anti-Semitism in its ranks, it does not have the jurisdiction to suppress it either.23

In 2001, the weekly To Vima published comments by Archbishop Christodoulos, who blamed the Jews for being behind government's decision to abide by European Union rules opposed to stating one's religion on the new state identity cards, which have a standard format for EU member countries.24

As early as 1993, both the European Parliament and the European Court of Justice criticized Greece for forcing the inscription of the holder's religion on his/her identity card.25 The Archbishop's comments are indicative of the casual attitude the Church holds with respect to anti-Semitic sentiment even at its highest echelons.

Those Who Speak Out

Altsech comments that there are some who do speak out. The first of these is Panayotis Dimitras of the Helsinki Monitor, who has long researched and publicized issues relating to civil rights, including racism and anti-Semitism. Another is Nikos Dimou, a prominent Greek author, journalist and thinker. He has written many articles containing facts nobody is willing to publicly mention and confirm in Greece. He has courageously criticized the Church and Greek society, and has drawn attention to their anti-Semitism and xenophobia. It is important to recognize his courage and that of the few others like him.

"Most Greeks do not accept the concept of constructive criticism. The prevailing attitude is that all foreign critique is anti-Greek. As the Jewish community is small and not very vocal, the international condemnations of Greek anti-Semitism by the SWC, Anti-Defamation League and others are thus especially important.

"I am not sure international condemnation will change anything within Greece, but it will get the attention of Greek politicians who speak with two tongues, one for domestic and one for foreign use. They do not want to be embarrassed internationally about the country's anti-Semitism. They may then do what they can to make editors a bit more discreet about printing blatant anti-Semitic articles, which are often condoned by the parties and politicians. That is why increasing international public indignation about Greek anti-Semitism is important."

Interview by Manfred Gerstenfeld

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Notes
1. Despina Kouklaki "Record-Level Xenophobia in Greece" Ta Nea, 1 November 2000.
2. Front Page article in Chrysi Avghi, 12 March 2004.
3. "25 Months of Anti-Semitic Invective in Greece: March 2002-April 2004" A report compiled in cooperation with the Greek Helsinki Monitor, Simon Wiesenthal Center, April 2004.
4. Ibid.
5. Daniel Perdurant, "Anti-Semitism in Contemporary Greek Society," Analysis of Current Trends in Anti-Semitism, No. 7 (Jerusalem: Hebrew University), 1995, p. 10.
6. "You Can Kill a Jew" Central Jewish Board Information Bulletin, January 1, 1989; the Washington Post article was quoted therein.
7. "25 Months of Anti-Semitic Invective in Greece."
8. Spyros Payiatakis, "Letter from Thessaloniki," Kathimerini, 1 March 2004.
9. Anti-Semitism Worldwide 1999/2000, Stephen Roth Institute on Anti-Semitism and Racism, Tel Aviv University 2002. p. 125.
10. Ibid.
11. Ibid.
12. "25 Months of Anti-Semitic Invective in Greece."
13. Ibid.
14. SWC to New Greek Prime Minister: "Greek Anti-Semitism Justifies Continuation Center's Travel Advisory", Simon Wiesenthal Center, 15 March 2004; (Also see Ta Nea Mas, the newsletter of the CJB, May 2002).
15. "25 Months of Anti-Semitic Invective in Greece."
16. Yannis Loulis, "Antisemitism Resurrected in the Deliberate Anti-Jewish Raving," Mesimvrini, 28 July 1982.
17. CJB Information Bulletin, 1 July 1998. (This publication was later renamed Ta Nea Mas.)
18. Minutes of the Parliament of the Hellenic Republic, 2 November 1983, p. 951.
19. Spiros Payatakis, "City Council Holocaust, " Apoghevmatini, 29 August 1986.
20. Edward Koch, "A Modern Greek Tragedy," New York Post, 11 September 1986.
21. Ariel O'Sullivan, "Cretan Mayor: No Jewish Worship Here," Jerusalem Post, 8 October 1999.
22. Ibid.
23. Daniel Perdurant, "Anti-Semitism in Contemporary Greek Society,"
24. To Vima, 15 March 2001.
25. Ta Nea Mas (the newsletter of the CJB), April 2001.

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Chris- 04-19-2007
thanks mate...thats a really good read,i was bored of reading about dead missionaries and Armenian journalists muhahahahahaha

Deman68- 04-19-2007
hahahah


X really, Turks treat jews ten times worse than Greeks do, many many Greeks dies protecting them....

while in Turkey Mein Kampf sells more copies than in Germany.... greekturkish/laugh.gif

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