| QUOTE (Kayakiran @ June 17, 2008 12:55 am) |
| Russian archives refute Armenian “genocide” claims A document in Russia's official archives has surfaced that shows Armenians carried out mass killings in 1915, and is one of the strongest pieces of evidence that reveals Yerevan's claims of "genocide" are nothing but a lie... |
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| "Before that Turks, Armenians, and Kurds used to live in peace. Even the living conditions of Armenians were much better than Kurds' and Turks," he added. |
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| He also accused England of provoking the Armenians to prevent a potential alliance between the Ottoman Empire and Russia. |
| QUOTE (optimaton @ June 17, 2008 07:32 am) |
| Well, if such a report exists it will definitely turn the Armenian version of the events in 1915 into dust. But until it’s actually authenticated and published, I don’t think you should get carried away just yet. Surprise, surprise, I’m not convinced of the accuracy of Turkey’s tabloids (just like what's on your MFA's official website) especially what Hurriyet writes is identical to the current Turkish version and even goes beyond . Something that is insisted ad nauseum in here that Armenians and Greeks actually loved being second-class subjects of the Sultan, who had no desire for national awakening and self-determination, etc. But an Armenian revolt behind Turkish lines would have been encouraged (yes, it would have fitted well with the Ruskies' strategy whilst at war against Turkey you'd think) rather than condemned by the Russians. Tsarist Russia was the most totalitarian and oppressive realm in Europe at the time. They were not even adverse to killing scores of their own people. Terms such as “racist motives” would have been alien to them. They were also quite the Orthodox fanatics and they would have expressed no love for a Muslim people over a Christian one. Also, at the time the aim of the Russians was the dismembering of the Ottoman Empire and their annexation of the Straits. Why would they be praising an empire they wanted to destroy? And how could they offer such a first-hand report when the killing/violence/rebellion (whatever you want to call it) happened on the other side of the front line. But it’s this bit here that really grabbed my attention: Does the author of this article even have the basic idea of that period history he is referring to? I seriously doubt it. So, we’re talking about 1915, the middle of WWI. Turkey is on the side of the Central Powers. Russia is on the side of the Entente. Russia and Turkey are fighting it out in the blistering cold of the Caucasus. Meanwhile, there is stalemate along the western front whilst the Russians are getting clobbered by the Germans and Austrian-Hungarians in the eastern front. And we are to believe that the English WERE concerned that Russia and the Ottoman Empire might forge an ALLIANCE! Anyway, if this report does exist and is worded as claimed by Hurriyet then it will definitely be a coup for Turkey and a huge blow to the Armenians. |
| QUOTE (optimaton @ June 17, 2008 11:32 pm) |
| Well, if such a report exists it will definitely turn the Armenian version of the events in 1915 into dust. But until it’s actually authenticated and published, I don’t think you should get carried away just yet. |
| QUOTE (Kayakiran @ June 18, 2008 05:56 am) |
| I'm not banking on the validity of these documents and I am not celebrating. I too would like to see these papers being published and authenticated. Hence my |
| QUOTE (westerort @ July 01, 2008 01:19 am) |
| Any updates as of yet regarding the validity of these Russian documents? |
| QUOTE (Emre @ July 01, 2008 09:43 am) |
| You guys are talking as if Russian sources haven't been used in Turkey's defense against the Armenian allegations before. I came across a few Russian lieutenant and colonel names (I will have to dig them up) in a few books. I also believe Prof Ataöv has worked with Russian archives before. |