The point here is not if the actual word "Grik" in itself is offensive but rather how it's used that it then becomes deragotory.

Los M, for example, uses it in an outright offensive context to distiguish what he percieves to be the good Greeks and the bad Greeks in the forum, the latter being referred to as "Griks". btw I've been placed in that category.

So should we "bad" Greeks do the same, place the Turks into two groups and start referring to them as turkeys.

Then where does this forum go?

Isn't that always the case with your lot, we Greeks are to blame for everything incl internet debates.


EDIT: akavak, and before you start jumping to conclusions as to whom are the usual suspects in the GT rivalry/animosity/love-hate relationship, let me give you a bit of heads up about our little community. We have an unofficial agreement re Ataturk, that is not to use him as a hot button against you since we are very well aware how sensitive of an issue it can be. As a result of a request to the Greeks by the Turks in the old forum, we for the most part we abide by it.

And your names for us, Grik, Grek, are offensive.
The whole point of calling you a sand nigger, and soley you LosM, is to get that message across, because you seem to be lacking the intelligence to realise it on your own when people tell you.

You don't want to cut the offensive names out? Fine, I'll use offensive names for you too. Don't like it? You know what to do, or go suck a lemon and sulk in the corner.

That's another very good and valid point you bring up.

While we dont go out of our way to shit stir when it comes to their sensitive topics, when it comes to our sensitive topics, or more precisely the issue of Makedonia, they can not help but stir the pot. The various issues from the name to history to geographic locations, has been explained to various people time and time again, but the stirring continues when the topic comes up. I'm no angel of this forum, but this shit works two ways.

These Turkish, satires of Kemalist ideology who are only interested in worshipping money and the Kemalist fascist ideology keep making accusations me that I am a servant to Turks.

Here are some examples:
http://greekturkish.18.forumer.com/index.php?showtopic=5772
domestos: Now go bring 4 tzatziki to table 5.

http://greekturkish.18.forumer.com/index.p...=0�entry75113
Kayakiran: Table 4 is calling you.

http://greekturkish.18.forumer.com/index.p...=30&#entry75126
Los Magnados: the best Scholarship my ARSE !! You only do some reading in between taking mousakka from the kitchen to table 4.

Los Magnados has said much the same but I cannot find the specific reference.


See below the origins of such racist insinuations:

"Halil Inalcik. a highly-respected historian of the Ottoman Empire and Turkey, wrote an article in 1964. titled "Osmanlı Devrinde Türk Ordusu" (The Turkish Military in the Ottoman Period) where he argued that "the Turkish nation has conserved its military-nation characteristic from the beginning of history till today" and that Turks are used to living as hakim (dominant) and efendi (master). İnalcık 1964. 56. This article appeared in the journal Türk Kültürü (Turkish Culture) and was re-printed in the same journal in 1972 and in 1994."

Altinay, Ayse Gul. Myth Of The Military Nation. (Palgrave, 2004; 1st Edition) p. 13.

By making such accuastions against me they are reinforcing the racist stereotypes of their homeland that Turks are naturally dominant and that Greeks can only serve.

1) You think Grik offensive? Ok. I've never used it before (I don't think) but I'll cease its use. I have no problem with compromise. I can't control what other people do but I became a member of this board for mutual, respectful dialog and the pursuit of friendship.

2) I didn't know that you guys had a little pact not to use Ataturk because it could be a sensitive issue. I'm sorry but whoever made you do agree that and whoever DID agree to that are fools. I respect the man and hold him as one of the great historical figures of our time; however it's foolish to exclude him, or any person/subject matter out of all conversations because a few keyboard warriors think it's offensive. Everybody is allowed to have their opinions and share them even if it ruffles someone's feathers. If they're so damn offended they can debate you on why they think your opinion is wrong or unfair.

take it easy and dont bother about these insults: u can either ignore them, or still better

return them with interest.

Turkos, ur a bunch of cowards . Just because Niki had some trouble with greeks, u

start picking on him assuming he wont get support from the rest of the grek bunch. Go get a


a couple of balls and show ur azzes ...

Why would he get support from anyone?

I'd show my azz but it's not a pretty sight...unless you're a fagoso BABEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAa

Why wouldn't we support Nikephoros?

So why don't you? The man is shouting for weeks.

Is it possible to discuss sth with a person who is full of hatred and complete bias?

Because he's not a moral man - atleast that's how he portrays himself. As koukla said, he's EXTREMELY bias towards Turks so unless you're as bias and as much of an asshole as him, I don't see why you'd support him.

Why don't I? Am I, is Duke, not backing him up now more or less?
I disagree with him on a couple of things, and it's not about what he is saying, because what is saying is not anything new, its not lies, its the truth. Whether you lot accept it or not.

Bias against Turkey? Probably. But so what? Is this not a discsussion forum, where people with different views, opinions and beliefs come to share those things?

You all got your knickers in a bunch over Nikephoros, but ignore the racists on your side, or who can at least be described as being biased against Kurds and/or Greeks, who have been around much longer.

Well there is one fundamental difference between the Turks we "ignore" and Niko; which is that "our lot" distinguishes themselves from time to time to be very friendly towards Greeks and Greek culture. How many times haven't those Turks you speak of verbally embraced brotherhood with open arms? How many times haven't they shown that there simply isn't one side to their coin? So when there's a flame going on and they get cought up in it (which they often do) does that lower them to the likes of Niko? A member who, by the looks of it, has only one interest in mind: defiling the name of Turkey, Turks and anything regarding Turkish history. And I'm not protecting all the Turks, just those who do not deserve the title of racist or fascist. I've had my fair share of friction with racist/fascist Turks which I consider to be bigger assholes than Niko - much bigger (and smellier). But that doesn't sway my conviction of him being biased and hostile. I find him offensive in that his sole purpose seems to be to create a gap between our peoples. I feel that he wouldn't like anything better than to have us all shout profanities at each other and break this forum apart. He is, quite simply, the antithesis of this forum. There is not one ounce of willingness for real dialogue with this guy. All he does is to quote shit, place it out of context, connect one shitpile of shit to another and call it "evidence" that Turks are vile beings that always resort to the worst possible solution to the simplest possible problem. And what's most irritating off all is that he guises himself under a cloak of reason and intellect, showering insults like "kemalist dog" whenever his frustrations over God knows what boils over the surface of the otherwise calm and cold nazi analyst persona. Give me a break. Why the HELL should you or anyone else who isn't a Turkophobe ever find reason behind supporting his ideas?

As I age the more I realise that there are good and not so good in all races.I'd like to think that I have well and truly moved beyond letting the race/religion/sex/whatever cloud my opinion of someone.
we all say things we dont mean or sometimes say without thinking,lets just be more accomidating of everyone.
as i go through my daily travels i meet many who i dont agree with,or just dont sit well with me.I try to send them love and just move on

Zeus, biggest lies are knitted with true knots. Picking particular words from a whole text and pasting totally off-topic quotes is not discussing to find or show the truth. When a turk says "A", guy first says "you've seen, he said A". Then the quote showes up...

And as Kemal somehow enters to the text, here comes the alla greca Godwin's Law...

Enjoy!!!

Dome, the point is the manner in which certain people use certain words directed towards Greeks on this forum, is racist. There is no ifs or maybes about it.