An excellent article by Larry Derfner of the JP.

i wonder what is yd's take on this.

Well, I agree naturally. I'm more curious what nike's take is. He's the one who claims I'm a weirdo Jew for not hating Muslims and the "Arab horde" (a term I don't think even the IDF would ever use) but I think I'm a fairly normal, non-fascist, Jew.

Fuck the IDF.

mate why do you bother with the wankbecile??

do you want me to pull up his other weekly residence and show you how sick minded this individual really is?

you will be left disturbed forever !!!

I would advise crazy second generation AKEL Cyprians to not worry about Israel, and to actually try something besides relying on personal gossip, false ideology and family views for history. In all my interacting with Zyprians on the net, these are the only sources they get info from on Cyprus's history, along with of course media(which is a joke to rely on for history). Israelis seem to actually defend themselves, something one cannot say for Zyprians who are taught that their nation should beg for its existence at international fora upon receiving their mother's milk(meanwhile with their mother's milk, Turks are told they are born soldiers, figure how this will play out in the future....).

Well, really I do not support Israel, other than saying "I support Israel," but I support Israel.

I was looking at Giles Milton Paradise Lost: Smyrna, 1922: the Destruction of a Christian City in the Islamic World. at the library one day. In the opening of the book there is a motto(that was for a proposed grand university that would have operated in Smyrna with both Christians and muslim students, yeah that utopia of Christian-Muslim brotherhood really worked out):
"In the Orient, a light."

That motto reminds me of Israel, surrounded by Islamic hordes and their darkness, oppression, fanaticism, hatred. The way I see it, the only place a Westerner can feel comfortable in the Mid East is Israel. If Israel ever falters, loses a battle, loses territory, or dissolves, and the West allows it to happen, they will suffer for their own lack of identity and values. The same way that Europeans will continue to suffer if they keep accepting muslim hordes whether legal or illegal as residents(since as Turks prove often, they are more loyal to their Turkish homeland and Islam).

The muslim world is structurally incapable of peace, Turkey included. There is nothing to support in the once Arab refugees now reborn and referred to as Palestinians or in Turkey, despite what various Euro-leftist tarts think.

I have this irritating instinct to bother with anyone who seems extreme because I think once they see things from someone else's point of view, maybe they'll temper their own views, or possibly even be shaken out of their current worldview entirely.

RE: Israel, I would hope that the undeniable FACT that Christian Arabs suffer under Israeli policy too would make him stop seeing that country as sharing values of his. But maybe he's so intent on seeing Muslims die he doesn't care if Christians get caught in the crossfire. I would hope that me and many other Jews constantly questioning the IDF and the state of Israel's actions would make him examine his own readiness to jump to Israel's defense, not just in the abstract, but even to the point of dehumanising Israel's perceived "enemies" as deserving their fate.

But he is apparently an American, and we are raised on hate and violence, in some ways more so than European nation states. Easy indeed, is it for the American to call for the death of people he's never met because he believes they do not share our Christian capitalistic, democratic, first world values.

Part of the reason I have so little faith in America is because I am a Jew and that means I'm aware how barely under the surface America's hate for us waits:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/08/oba...he_rise_of.html

The second American Jews go against America's military and economic interests, we're a cadre of wealthy monsters controlling the inner workings of your country, right Christians?

But there I go again, an American raised on hate ready to lash out. A lot of my mates are Christians: Protestants, Catholic, Orthodox. I would never go around lumping all the Muslims, Buddhists, Sikhs or Hindus together. I don't even do it to Jews, and thems my own people.

Bias admitted.

What the fuck am I on about?

Sorry Christians. Forgive me for my ignorance.

Hey, those Israelis who are so precious to the West? Whose values are so like Western values? Guess who the only people who gave two shits about their extermination during WWII were?

Those leftist tarts.

The people who agree with you about the "Islamic hordes" who are incapable of being civilised and are a danger to Western civilisation? Guess what they were up to during WWII?

http://lawrenceofcyberia.blogs.com/news/20...dy_here_sp.html

funny how nikki does not even contest what I've just said.

i guess he reckons keep shut the fuck up and don't let him expose.

I reckon spewing hate speech is his preferred M.O. because that's all he's ever learned.

Because America, that's why.

The fact that you buddy-buddy with Blisterbul says enough about your attributes and qualities, more than I could ever say.

As long as we're on the subject of Israel/Palestine (a personal obsession of mine, for obvious reasons) can I recommend a film or two?

Amos Gitai is an Israeli filmmaker. His politics make me like him, but his actual films pale in comparison to Elia Suleiman's work.

That being said, check out "Free Zone" by Amos Gitai, and "Chronicle of a Disappearance" by Elia Suleiman.

And of course, for documentaries, anything by Simone Bitton is good.

All of this is Pallywood of course, if you ask Nikki. Even though Israeli Jews are responsible for two of my recommendations.

Elia Suleiman is the most depressed man in Nazareth. And that's saying something.

I'd rather be with Blistanbul than with you Nikki. He's just a nationalist. You're what we in the Jew Business like to call a "fascist".

The difference is that he loves his own country too much. Whereas you, you hate too much.

Well for Turks, we have had actual minority members give a big well deserved F U, to Turkdom, and I have documented this long-lost forum datum from Dirii and Laz Vegaz in my current sig. They are not simple people who "love Turkey too much", they are the real fascists, real ultra-nationalists who deny others the right to speak their mother tongue, to self-publish what they want, not me.

And for your part, confused weasel:

Gee, I wonder why they do that, Mr. I date a Turk(and become a turkish nationalist at it)? Maybe because they know something, like that they live surrounded by Mohammedan Turks and they actually know what that entails since Turks are indoctrinated that all minorities are hostile conspirators, in addition to being especially anti-semitic. Same thing with the Chief Rabbi, Armenian and Greek Patriarch who receive constant death threats and are under constant security escort, in Turkish paradise.

so lets see the list of people nikkiorosporus hates:

greeks(mainly for not being a racist cunt towards turks as much as he is)

cypriots(who are not butchering the tcs)

jews(that date turks)

turkish diaspora(who don't dismiss the turkish state)

muslims (every single one of the 1.5 billion. sounds familiar???)

so basically anyone of anyone who is not a gotveren scumbag of a racist twat.


enough of this nikkiorosporus:

http://www.network54.com/Forum/248068/thre...t+Turkish+women


now what kind of a sick, twisted, vile piece of shit dare write and post things like this?

just wondering do people around you know the real you?

fuck all this talk about a racist laz and a kurd which you supported in the past, answer me about something concrete.

how the fuck can one person be so disgusting???

The problem is that your definition of Turkish nationalism is anyone who isn't racist against Turks. And yet the reason to be racist against Turks is that Turkish nationalism kills. That leaves a big idealogical gap between those Turks who kill non-Turks and you, in which most of the rest of us, including (I believe) most Greeks, live.

Turks are not especially "anti-semitic". One of the points I made in that quote was that indeed, Turks are far more Christian-hating than Judeophobic. For example, the government has gone after Greeks within Turkey's borders time and time again, but one bomb goes off after 9/11 and the Turks have no problem putting every synagogue in the country under protection. Yes, truly the Jews are the first enemy of the Turks. This explains the long history of Jews siding with Turks when Turk and Greek came in conflict. (Something our friend Agrippa admits, though it pains him apparently) This explains why in that poll from ages back, Turks put Christianity as the most violent religion, not Judaism, despite all violent conflicts in the region between Christian and Muslim having subsided some time since, except Lebanon, where Israel is also a major aggressor. (We fuck up Palestine and Lebanon, and still the Turks prefer us to you. Ain't that a sign of their deep-seated Jew-hate?) This explains why I hear Christians attacked frequently when I'm among Turks, but Başbuğ seems to have a monopoly on Jew-hate in the Turkish republic. (Not to say that he actually does, but it is primarily from him that shit seems to come) And this explains why although the Turkish state forces the identity of "Turk" on all its citizens (including "Christian Turks" and "Jewish Turks") it seems I never hear of Christians embracing this identity but Jews seem to keep getting caught doing it.

None of this is to say Turkey is perfect for Jews (or Kurds, or Turks for that matter) but simply to say that you don't know what the fuck you be sayin'. But if it was really so bad, they'd all leave. And many of them did, because the Turkish nation-state is harmful to minority healths.

Just like the Greek one.

I'm openly Jewish in every country I visit. I was in Yemen, I was in Turkey (and will be again when I go back) I was in America and Russia and China (including "East Turkestan"/"Xinjiang") and y'know which groups in my life have been the cruelest about my Judaism?

-White American protestants (But this one's hardly fair since I lived the first two decades of my life there)
-Armenian Americans
-White French Catholics
-White English Protestants

Muslims generally have no beef with me once Israel is properly discussed. Funny how they say they hate Israel, not Jews, and then when they meet Jews who also hate Israel, they actually don't hate him! Funny how those four groups I've just mentioned, two of them try to link themselves to Jews and claim no problems exist, (White America by supporting Israel, which it did to prevent its huge Jewish population from growing more, Armenians because of the holocaust) but in actuality, they hate us and believe us responsible for everything wrong with their lives.

But go ahead. Tell me how much I should mistrust the Mohammedans. While I cavort with one of their women and force my holidays and culture on her family. Tell me how civilised the Christians are who let millions of Jews go to their deaths with the Nazis.

You're really winning a lot of points with all that crap.

A huge amount of Americans I meet abroad are Jews. A really disproportionate amount. Very few of them seem to think I'm a crazy self-hating Jew. I guess I should say none, the closest response to that I get from kikes is that I'm a "typical liberal Jew" which is a far cry from the picture you want to paint of me, of a complete nutcase who doesn't get his own people at all. Do you ever stop to think maybe you're living in your little American world filled with your little American hate? Do you ever think maybe you truly, truly do not understand the people you judge? Arabs, Turks, Muslims, etc.? I wonder how many GREEKS in here would say that you even understand them?