Listen up, Huckleberry.

We Turks know the shortcomings of our society. We are working on them. We don't need a racist scumbag like yourself pointing out the obvious. As far as Pamuk is concerned: I like some of his material and if he is really behind his words to make Turkey a better place, then all my best to him. However, I doubt that he has the best in mind for Turkey. The more accurate description of Pamuk is that he is trying to get publicity for himself. Now crawl back to where you came from.

Not long ago before you turded out the bullshit above, this came out your rectum:

I am just concerned for the future of Greece! If Turkey has not tipped to ultranationalism and probably will not, and is still banning some 280+ books every five years... Just imagine the consquences in Greece when it tips to ultra-nationalism over the Macedonia issue. I am sure like in most things, we will totally school the Turks in the press, internet, media and book censorship game.

So, what's your point? Is there supposed to be a contradiction there? I don't see it.

You should be. You live in it. You'd also do better for yourself by getting over your unhealthy obsession with Turkey and Turks, and focus on the problems of Greece for once.

This isn't even remotely related to what I said. I claimed that (1) the Macedonian issue is fueling nationalism in Greece, and (2) Greece is far away from being a multicultural society. Are any of them wrong? If so, why? Can you answer these questions without resorting to Turkey, or the Turkish society at all?

Turkey has a multicultural society by nature, and sooner or later the state establishment will bow to this. Not because of goodwill, or anything like that, but because it will find it in its interest do to so. So, another thing that I claimed is that (3) this is already happening, slowly and not without resistance, but it is nevertheless.

I actually don't care to compare Turkey and Greece, and I honestly don't give a rat's ass what the fascists of Greece think of Turkey. I'd love to have some Greeks on this forum that I could actually learn something new from, or through whom I could gain some more insight into the Greek society, but all I get is hillbillies like yourself.

Plus, that comment is a response to Optimaton's post. If you have a response to it, you should do it in the original thread. Shame on you to bring it here, and try to take it completely out of context.

I'm going to join the detractors of our Turkish friends re Pamuk.

If he really is a martyr for "free speech" then he should remain in Turkey and fight for it. Instead he runs off to New York to bask in the sun of his own vanity amongst the literary Chardonnay wankers; a real martyr does not run, they do not hesitate to walk into the lion's den for what they believe in. Or you'd think, right?

And it's the same with that curry-muncher Salman Rushdie. He thinks he can insult an entire faith, harp on about freedom of speech, and yet when a book is about to published to prove what a pompous wanker he really is, he fights for it not to be published.

Where are the George Orwell's today?

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No point in him staying if he gets killed... Hrant Dink got killed for the same crime.

I dont consider Yilmaz Guney or Nazim Hikmet to be cowards.

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Neither Ahmet Kaya, nor Taner Akçam were cowards, I add. Anyone will run when his life is in danger.

We should have kicked Kerinçsiz out long time ago. Unfortunately, we cannot use the tactics of these bastards against them.

Pamuk is currently teaching at Columbia University of New York.

Man, he was invited there by Turkish Ministry of Culture. All his charges were paid by government. Do you think they didn't know what he'll say in his speech?

Do you really believe that Orhan Pamuk is the only one saying these in Turkey? Do you really think that people in turkey heard these for the very first time in our life from Pamuk's mouth?

As it's mentioned above, you're pathetic.

In what way exactly is ahmet kaya a hero or some sort of freedom of speech martyr?

I guess this question is directed to me.

Anyway, whether anyone calls him a hero or a freedom of speech figure is irrelevant (I can't even begin to define what a martyr is, but since he didn't die directly because of anything he said, I'm going to assume he isn't).

He was another of our great artists that was forced to exile.

Now that we're talking about him, I feel like advertising his music a little bit. Sorry for the diversion

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Dont forget to advertise this one with the crowd waving the flags of PKK and in the background behind him a big image of ocalan.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=T4Cxl71iklA

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" Kurduz olene kadar, Kurduz soyuna kadar.. Vallahi Apoyu ozledik " *and the crowd goes wild*


CHUSSSHHHH BE, katastrof tombiklik oldugunu bilmisdim ama this just tops it off, this is kind of heros he admires.

Looks like you advertised it anyway.

What you see there isn't the cause of his exile, but its consequence. You cannot find anything from Ahmet Kaya that signals support for PKK until 1999.

But let's suppose that's not the case, just for the sake of argument. Is it anything that justifies the death threads he got, or the court cases against him resulting from photoshoped pictures, or the media coverage he got that was based on nothing but lies? It surely isn't, whatever personal feeling one might have towards him.

Small documentary on the events leading to his exile (Turkish):
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2644327330387363657

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Yes, I'm a big fan of Ahmet Kaya. You'd be surprised with the fan base he has among Turks. If it were up to you, anyone who isn't jerking off to wolf pictures would be labeled a traitor anyway. Keep it up.

Something tells me youre most likely the same twerp that feels some sort of a sympathy for Apo as well.

This man is calling out for a terrorist leader for crying out loud, and yet, you call self a Turk? You fucking disgust me i have nothing else to say

Iki yuzlu serefsiz televizyonda Turkuz olene kadar sarkisini soyluyor, ulkuculukden, muslumanlikdan, basbugdan soz ediyor..

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=WEOmmN1jEXQ

Kurtlerin icinde Apodan bahsediyor, got kiymasi

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=Qlw6aGiIQnk