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domestos- 12-10-2007
Migration from Central Asia is a legend

Anthropologist Timuçin Binder said: "research on genetics show that the people living in Turkey have been here for 40,000 years."

Research done on genetics reveals how many of the people living in Turkey actually originated from Central Asia. According to this finding, the Turk's current genetic structure was shaped in the prehistoric ages.


Anthropologist Timuçin Binder had objections to the thesis that Anatolia became Turkish after the year 1071: "research on genetics show that the people living in Turkey date back to 40,000 years ago."

The amazing developments in genetics technology not only brings light to the past but also to the future. The order of DNA molecules responds to the question of origin for many people. National Geographic magazine is currently carrying out a project on "geneography". Those who visit the magazine's website get a DNA sample package and a password. The average fee is between $100 and $450. A Turkish professor is monitoring the research done on Turks. Anthropologist Timuçin Binder from Istanbul Technical University objects to the thesis that Anatolia became Turkish after the year 1071: "research done on genetics shows that the people living in Turkey date back to 40,000 years ago."



http://english.sabah.com.tr/D2DAFD0D3CE847...75CCBC83B1.html

Turkish version of the article is more detailed and interesting. It says genetically we are closer to greeks, iranians and jordanians than turkic tribes and mongolians in central asia.
http://www.sabah.com.tr/haber,07C4E5078764...C922FAB78D.html

Give us a hug Greeks, we are your evil twins. The orcs!!! greekturkish/devilsmile.gif

koukla- 12-10-2007
Orc cuz of Turk I guess (they made comments on Tolkien's word choice)

I am an "Uruk-Hai" greekturkish/stuckup.gif

Lethe- 12-10-2007
We are not pure race. It is nice... i mean no problem for me. But saying "migration from central asia is a legend" sounds funny to me. We are culturally Turks, geneticly mixture of many thing including Turks...

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I am an "Uruk-Hai"


i am an elf. Karay Turks who lives in Lithuania still worship to holly beech. It is on part 1 or part 2. I am not sure.


http://youtube.com/results?search_query=%C...k&search=Search

optimaton- 12-10-2007
dome, come on, mate, you seriously aren’t going to take this seriously.

He’s obviously mixing nationalism with science. Someone needs to remind Binder of that little melee at Manzikert because the Seljuk Turks did settle inner Anatolia after 1071. So that is no legend.

As for 40,000 years, we need another greekturkish/doh.gif for that one. Your nationalists really like to exaggerate things because 4,000 years, for example, just doesn’t seem long enough, right? And what is he using as a genetic example to prove his theory? One of the fairy chimneys at Goreme?

Australia’s aboriginals claim 50,000 years down here. And that is believable because until 1788 AD no other people settled the continent. But Anatolia, on the other hand, has always experienced massive movements of different people. And the question is which Turks is Binder referring to? Those with Greek, Armenian, Persian, Kurdish, Laz, Circassian, Albanian, Bulgarian, Bosnian background? Hardly a people who can claim an Anatolian lineage going back 40,000 years.

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It says genetically we are closer to greeks, iranians and jordanians than turkic tribes mongolians in central asia and mongolians


Jordanians? You mean Arabs. greekturkish/laugh.gif greekturkish/laugh.gif

koukla- 12-10-2007
QUOTE (optimaton @ December 10, 2007 01:03 pm)
what is he using as a genetic example to prove his theory? One of the fairy chimneys at Goreme?


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Lethe- 12-10-2007
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Jordanians? You mean Arabs.
I don't know Jordanians. I heard Phrygians were the ancestors of Palestinians.

optimaton- 12-10-2007
QUOTE (Lethe @ December 10, 2007 09:08 pm)
I don't know Jordanians. I heard Phrygians were the ancestors of Palestinians.

No, I'm sure it's claimed the Palestinians are descended from the ancient Philistines. That's how they counter their claim to the Israelis about the regions original inhabitants.

But I was laughing re Jordanians because I took it as the author of the article was trying to avoid using the term Arab, since Jordanians are Bedouins ie Arabs.

domestos- 12-10-2007
QUOTE (optimaton @ December 10, 2007 02:03 pm)
dome, come on, mate, you seriously aren’t going to take this seriously.

He’s obviously mixing nationalism with science. Someone needs to remind Binder of that little melee at Manzikert because the Seljuk Turks did settle inner Anatolia after 1071. So that is no legend.

As for 40,000 years, we need another greekturkish/doh.gif  for that one. Your nationalists really like to exaggerate things because 4,000 years, for example, just doesn’t seem long enough, right? And what is he using as a genetic example to prove his theory? One of the fairy chimneys at Goreme?

Australia’s aboriginals claim 50,000 years down here. And that is believable because until 1788 AD no other people settled the continent. But Anatolia, on the other hand, has always experienced massive movements of different people. And the question is which Turks is Binder referring to? Those with Greek, Armenian, Persian, Kurdish, Laz, Circassian, Albanian, Bulgarian, Bosnian background? Hardly a people who can claim an Anatolian lineage going back 40,000 years.



Jordanians? You mean Arabs.  greekturkish/laugh.gif greekturkish/laugh.gif

I'm of course doubtful about these kind of things. And your question on the last paragraph is exactly what i thought when i read it. I mean forget about red head karadenizlis and slant eyed alevi turkmens on toros mountains, in many parts of anatolia everything changes from village to village. (it's a fascinating diversity indeed)

But there is a point that you might be missing. This article and author of it is far from being nationalist. He's describing nations as social constructs and saying people on the land have stayed "same" (or changed in little ratios) but new identities kept being constructed for the last xxxx years. He says Turkish identity we're talking today is not older than 200 years. These are totally unacceptable words for an average Turkish nationalist.




And there is a significant Circassian population in Jordan. greekturkish/sneaky.gif

koukla- 12-10-2007
QUOTE (domestos @ December 10, 2007 02:06 pm)
red head karadenizlis

greekturkish/hmmm.gif

domestos- 12-10-2007
QUOTE (koukla @ December 10, 2007 03:07 pm)
greekturkish/hmmm.gif

Eastern Rize & Artvin.

koukla- 12-10-2007
QUOTE (domestos @ December 10, 2007 02:10 pm)
Eastern Rize & Artvin.

Ah good..I thought u were talking about me :P

domestos- 12-10-2007
QUOTE (koukla @ December 10, 2007 03:13 pm)
Ah good..I thought u were talking about me :P

I'm talking about natural redheads with freckled red cheeks. Like the karadenizli boy in the la-*test*-('") Ace tv commercial. greekturkish/Yes.gif

Are you one of those chosen ones?

koukla- 12-10-2007
QUOTE (domestos @ December 10, 2007 02:19 pm)
I'm talking about natural redheads with freckled red cheeks. Like the karadenizli boy in the la-*test*-('") Ace tv commercial. greekturkish/Yes.gif

Are you one of those chosen ones?

I know..just kidding.

No unfortunately I am not one of those...I am a fake redhead greekturkish/sad.gif

domestos- 12-10-2007
QUOTE (koukla @ December 10, 2007 03:21 pm)
I know..just kidding.

No unfortunately I am not one of those...I am a fake redhead greekturkish/sad.gif

I like Koleston's "aşk alevi" though.

koukla- 12-10-2007
QUOTE (domestos @ December 10, 2007 02:25 pm)
I like Koleston's "aşk alevi" though.

LOL...mine is more like saman alevi :P

It` chilly red.

aman whatever :P

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