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artist- 08-14-2007
QUOTE (Piyade @ August 14, 2007 02:15 pm)
Artist

Everyone is equal and they do have same rights.

I don't see mass Kurdish discrimination anywhere.

When you were in Turkey, did you see any signs that said No Kurds allowed?

I said that in general, for the rest in the world

No in Turkey, kurds and Turks are equal i know it

Dirii- 08-14-2007
QUOTE (artist @ August 14, 2007 01:17 pm)
I said that in general, for the rest in the world

No in Turkey, kurds and Turks are equal i know it

Which Turkish villages are off limits and have been cut from the rest of civilization?

Which Turkish villages are starving because of lack of resources - thanks to the state military not letting anybody transport or get through the barrackades?


Which Turkish child was shot to death by state soldiers? Do you remember Ugur? He was murdered and so was his father... Both in the street...

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Where is the equality?

Piyade- 08-14-2007
QUOTE (Dirii @ August 14, 2007 01:22 pm)
Which Turkish villages are off limits and have been cut from the rest of civilization?

Which Turkish villages are starving because of lack of resources - thanks to the state military not letting anybody transport or get through the barrackades?


Which Turkish child was shot to death by state soldiers? Do you remember Ugur? He was murdered and so was his father... Both in the street...

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Where is the equality?

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artist- 08-14-2007
QUOTE (Dirii @ August 14, 2007 02:22 pm)
Which Turkish villages are off limits and have been cut from the rest of civilization?

Which Turkish villages are starving because of lack of resources - thanks to the state military not letting anybody transport or get through the barrackades?


Which Turkish child was shot to death by state soldiers? Do you remember Ugur? He was murdered and so was his father... Both in the street...

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Where is the equality?

Diiri,

Nobody (i mean no civilian ) deserves to be killed ... nobody, Turks or Kurds or Palestinian or Israelian.
That's more that sad, a baby, a father, a mother, etc... don't deserves that

It isn't between our hands Diiri greekturkish/shakehead.gif

Barbaros- 08-14-2007
For most of us, our heritage comes within different parts around our region, from Balkans, Southern Russia areas stretching to Caspian Sea and this is what exactly formed Turkish Republic. By World War II, Turkey had the same number of, if not more migrant ethnic Turks than Anatolian Turks and our beautiful country was shaped by these kind of people, with its diverse cultures.

When one says they're a Laz, first thing that comes to mind is Black Sea..

When one says they're a Cerkez, you straight away think of Southern Russia/North Caspian sea region.

There was also a term used for people who have migrated from Balkans, which I can't remember right now..

.. but, I specifically remember when one used to say they're a Kurd, it didn't mean they were people with a different identity, but it was rather used to describe which region of Turkey they were from, making them a Turk as well.

domestos- 08-14-2007
QUOTE (Barbaros @ August 14, 2007 04:34 pm)
There was also a term used for people who have migrated from Balkans, which I can't remember right now..

Muhacir.

QUOTE (Barbaros @ August 14, 2007 04:34 pm)
.. but, I specifically remember when one used to say they're a Kurd, it didn't mean they were people with a different identity, but it was rather used to describe which region of Turkey they were from, making them a Turk as well.

C'mon Barbaros, you know it's not true. People were sent to jail and tortured in this country for saying they are kurd. You know the mountain-turk story or banning of speaking Kurdish in the past. If you are a kurd, you are a kurd.

Trojan- 08-14-2007
domestos which past?


domestos- 08-14-2007
QUOTE (Trojan @ August 14, 2007 04:52 pm)
domestos which past?

between 1980 and 1991 for example...

BTW,
http://www.radikal.com.tr/haber.php?haberno=181716
http://www.ntvmsnbc.com/news/411156.asp

and
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LAUSANNE TREATY ARTICLE 39.
All the inhabitants of Turkey, without distinction of religion, shall be equal before the law.

Differences of religion, creed or confession shall not prejudice any Turkish national in matters relating to the enjoyment of civil or political rights, as, for instance, admission to public employments, functions and honours, or the exercise of professions and industries.

No restrictions shall be imposed on the free use by any Turkish national of any language in private intercourse, in commerce, religion, in the press, or in publications of any kind or at public meetings.

Notwithstanding the existence of the official language, adequate facilities shall be given to Turkish nationals of non-Turkish speech for the oral use of their own language before the Courts.


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Trojan- 08-14-2007
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People were sent to jail and tortured in this country for saying they are kurd


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banning of speaking Kurdish in the past


I am talking about that...

the addresses you mentioned that environment was not created by us but by them. Please do not bring me any DTP issues. They cannot even claim PKK is a terrorist organization and your adorable European commission already published that they have ties with PKK. (of course we already know this)


Red- 08-14-2007
QUOTE (domestos @ August 14, 2007 03:48 pm)
Muhacir.


C'mon Barbaros, you know it's not true. People were sent to jail and tortured in this country for saying they are kurd. You know the mountain-turk story or banning of speaking Kurdish in the past. If you are a kurd, you are a kurd.

I remember when I was a kid, my cousins were listening Kurdish songs secretly in Urfa.

It was big crime at that time.

artist- 08-14-2007
QUOTE (Red @ August 14, 2007 03:56 pm)
I remember when I was a kid, my cousins were listening Kurdish songs secretly in Urfa.

It was big crime at that time.

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Red- 08-14-2007
Don't we have a biger problem right now, islamization? We should worry about it, seriously.

Dirii- 08-14-2007
QUOTE (Red @ August 14, 2007 02:56 pm)
I remember when I was a kid, my cousins were listening Kurdish songs secretly in Urfa.

It was big crime at that time.

Yes - and my relatives burried many cassettes or burnt them - when the jandarma would come for their occasional "check" - and try to blackmail them for the smallest things...

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Red- 08-14-2007
QUOTE (artist @ August 14, 2007 04:57 pm)
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Öyle, yaşandı cidden bunlar,ama artık farklı herşey tabi..Ohal bitti.

domestos- 08-14-2007
QUOTE (Trojan @ August 14, 2007 05:36 pm)



I am talking about that...

the addresses you mentioned that environment was not created by us but by them. Please do not bring me any DTP issues. They cannot even claim PKK is a terrorist organization and your adorable European commission already published that they have ties with PKK. (of course we already know this)

Speaking Kurdish in Turkey's borders were restricted between 1980 and 1991. It means police has a right to arrest you for speaking Kurdish with your brother. Speaking Kurdish is a declaration of kurdishness and people were taken into custody for speaking Kurdish. I can advise you to read the parts about Diyarbakır Prison in Hasan Cemal's book "Kurds". I think he's as mainstream as you can get.

Also you know publishing any materials (music, book, newspaper) in Kurdish was also restricted between these years. Lot's of people were arrested and put into jail for publishing Kurdish music albums i.e.

I suggest you to read what happened after a minister, Şerafettin Elçi openly declared "There are Kurds in this country and i am one of them."
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