This is a typical example what has changed in the last decades...in the past millions/thousands of people got killed,raped,abused.
And only a few survivors told the story a few weeks later to another only very few people.
The rest were just rumours,tales,myths...a few centuries later the first pictures appeared...we saw shocking pictures of killed phillipinos,africans,armenians and a few decades later at prime time in the cinemas of the world the jewish genocide...

Than the TV reportages,later the "live coverage"....now anyone with a mobile phone can record the most unbelievable crimes and killings in "real time"...

This will not change...no matter how does this shit,turks,greeks,kurds,serbs,US-GIs,germans...it will harm his buisness.
Noone likes to buy a Big Mac when he sees how iraqi women and children got raped and killed by US soldiers,every muslim/arab etc will hate this shit.

It does not matter what Diri or anyone else post in here or elsewhere...these pictures and videos will appear everywhere anyway.

This is the "problem"..

@Far canal

New friends?

I always called Diiri "bro even in the old forum and he always called me "sis"
I don't see a problem

Hear hear! Good post btw.

Thanks Kayakiran. Just reading between the lines.

Don't flatter yourselves, attacking every comment I've made on this forum isn't going to change reality in south-east Turkey. You're actually the ones encouraging the PKK with your inhumane approval of acts that would probably constitute war crimes..."They do it too!" is hardly a reasonable justification. Let's remember that the military moving into the south-east and being given permission to conduct a scorched-earth policy, is what bolstered their ranks the most in the first place. It's easy to act like a flag waving patriot when you're not the one holding the gun. A military solution to the problem is less than half he solution.

Firstly let me apologise to you for believing that you were someone else. You seem a bit more articulate then the compatriot I was accusing you of being.

Back to topic:
Flattery has nothing to do with it. It simply means that I agree with what Arslan has posted. You were not "attacked" for your postings here but rather for your mentality of generalising about Kemalists and the CHP. Most of us are not crooks or corrupt. We work hard for what we have. We believe in the principles on which the Turkish Republic was built upon including the man who was responsible for dragging us, while kicking and screaming, into the 20th century. We are not about to turn back the clock at this juncture of our existence

The AKP, no matter how mild they seem, have an agenda. This agenda includes a return to Islamic laws which is totally and utterly divergent to the philosophy and vision of Ataturk. Turkey is a living legacy of Ataturk and he made Turks and who ever considered themselves Turkish guardians of this Republic. Our forefathers fought, bled and died for every square inch of this country. It would be a disgrace and an insult to them to give any of it away to bunch of cowardly terrorist scumbags.

I agree that our history has seen many corrupt politicians who have lined their pockets whilst in office. While there is not much evidence that the AKP have been lining their pockets there is ample evidence that they buy votes. Which in my opinion is the worse of two evils. They enter poor and disenfranchised neighborhoods, put food and money on the table and presto. They have a vote or two. Most of these people who sell their vote are not educated enough to make their own political choices so they follow the flock like a bunch of sheep. Just fucking great! Our country is going to be run by a bunch of sheep who want us to turn our back to the West and get back to the stone age.

You said:

Who fired the first shot? I'm not saying that kurds had a rosy life but violence begets violence. For you to say that some of our people should be tried for war crimes is an insult to the dead soldiers memory.

You said:

If and when the time comes to defend Turkey's borders I will be the first one to pick up a gun. You obviously have no concept what a true patriot is. But welcome to the forum anyway. Perhaps you will learn a thing or two about Turks.

Sounds like your reasons for sticking up with these savages has deeper roots...maybe a disappointment of 80 some years.?.

Oh..btw, I was holding that gun between 1985-87 for 18 moths there.


In 1925 a treaty with Britain gave the oil-rich vilayet of Mosul to Iraq. The same year saw a Kurdish rebellion in the part of Turkey nearest to Iraq, led by Seyh Said, hereditary chief of the Naksbendi dervishes. The Kurds had been loyal subjects of the Turkish sultan, who was also "Commander of the Faithful," but they wanted nothing to do with a secular Turkey. Martial law was proclaimed in thirteen provinces, and the legal definition of treason was extended to include "the use of religion as a political instrument." Within three months the revolt had been stamped out, and Kurdish hopes for an independent Kurdistan were dashed, as they would be in Iraq and Iran later. A side effect of this was that all Sufi lodges and tombs of the saints were closed for the remainder of Kemal's lifetime.

http://xenohistorian.faithweb.com/neareast/ne15.html#Ataturk

"The Kurds had been loyal subjects of the Turkish sultan, who was also "Commander of the Faithful," but they wanted nothing to do with a secular Turkey."

^ Doesn't this sound familiar to you?

Ultimately, there will never be a military solution to the Kurdish problem.

Lots of English used to (some still do) chant "No surrender to the IRA" and join up in loyalist order, despite being nowhere near Northern Ireland, and used to bleat about how the dirty 'Fenians' (Derogatory term for Catholic in N Ireland) were never to be negotiated with.

In the end it took a lot of guts and political courage to bring peace to that region, after more than 30 years of failure with the military option.

I can't believe so many of you are so naive, every time you kill a Kurd and gloat (even if he is a terrorist), then you are doing the Kurds a Public Relations favour.

The same way that the Palestinians use every death of their own (despite being members of Hamas/Islamic Jihad), the Lebanese do the same with killed Hezbollah members, the Chechnyan groups and so on....

So keep it up, and we'll be having this conversation in 20 years time, the difference being a few more thousand dead.

Bro, you're way out of line here. If you remember the IRA came to the table after 9-11 because they were smart and knew that the shit was going to hit the fan as far as terrorism was concerned. The Brits did not cave into them, the brits did not waver in their fight. I am all for a political solution rather than a military one as long as not a single square inch is ceded to form a kurdistan in Turkiye. If they want freedom to speak their language, fine. If they want to continue their primitive way of life in SE Turkiye, fine. But not one square inch of Turkish land. As long as these little backward scumbags attack us, we will fight back as best we can. Sooner or later there will be a solution.

Imagine if Greeks had to cede part of their country to Fyrom or Albania. I wonder how many outraged Greeks would blow a frickin' gasket and take to the streets. Hell, you guys blow a gasket when there are any posts about Albanians and Fyromians ( who thought of that name?).

Kaya, the Anglo-Irish agreement, the Good Friday agreement, the IRA ceasefire etc... all came long before 9-11. People just realised the futility of it all.

Growing up over here, we got used to the news of soldiers/policemen/suspects being killed all too regularly, not forgetting the victims of all the terrorism.

With the Kurds, there is no need to break up Turkey for a more political route to a solution. Whatever people want to say on a forum is cool, but I'm not stupid and the Kurds went through a lot of shit in Turkey due to your hard policy towards them because of fears of separation. Not unlike Franco and the Basques, their identity was practically criminalised, just as the Catalans and Basques were persecuted under Franco to become good little Spaniards.

What you need to do now, is focus on building up the economy in the SE, continue the reforms that have already begun with regards to Kurdish rights, and maybe provide them with more autonomy.

Ultimately, this is the way forward. Keep pushing and you get nowhere, but an endless cycle of violence.

As for Greece and ceding territory, this is a bit of a non-issue, as there is no real sizable minority in Greece with the same circumstances as the Kurds. Maybe if in the past we had invaded and conquered Albania, and today Albania was part of Greece we would have that problem too....

What I do know, is that three days ago, the Scottish Executive released a White Paper which lays out the foundation for a Scottish independence from the United Kingdom. It looks like there will be a referendum in 2010 on the issue.

This news was met with so much antipathy it was as if the White Paper was discussing the Vitamin contents of a type of celery.

Oh, alright then, carry on...
We'll just ignore your hissy fit of few days prior.

Just remember the saying : If you sleep with mutts, you get fleas.

Fixed.

Why is it that us Turks are always to fucken blame...?
This mutt comes out, blatantly glorifying dead PKK terrorists and we are guilty of reacting.

Gomşularımızdan biraz medeniyet öğrenek argadaşlar, diyalog kurak, gardaşlık oluşturak, sorunlarımıza ortakca bir cevap bulak.

Mate, do not speak as you invented the wheel.

How do you propose to invest in the region when bombs were going of daily...?
When engineers, doctors, teachers were being targeted regularly.
When the people of the region refused their kids to be vaccinated, believing to PKK propaganda of "state is sterilizing Kurds".
When you can't enforce the law in the region just to avoid the backlash from Kurds and in return from EU.

Do I go on...?

Nope. The ceasefire may have happened a bit earlier, but bona fide discussions came after 9-11 when the IRA condemned all forms of violence in the wake of 9-11. Even the Basques pulled themselves out of terror for a while.

You really need to go to Turkiye. We have dumped an enourmous amount of money in there and we continue to do so. Businesses get sabotaged there, it's a fact of life. I agree with you when you say it is about economics, everyone should have a decent life as long as they depend on theirself. We should provide infrastructure and opportunity and that's about it. Moreover, they(kurds) have their rights. There are 20+ kurds in our Meclis and none of them have been arrested yet. Give us a break.

Stop it.

People automatically think SE is a major shit hole, totally ignored and nothing is ever spent there.
Granted, the major cities are not comparable to Istanbul, Izmir, etc, but the beauty of Turkey is that, each region offers a beauty of different sort.

Diyarbakır

Gaziantep

Malatya

Şanlıurfa

Kahramanmaraş

It's pretty naive to think that the kurds been terrorizing the Turks for their "human" and "cultural" rights. There has been many uprisings in the past and it has always been for breaking up from Turkey. These ppl has never contributed with anything to the Turkish Republic to ask anything in return, but state has been carrying their burden for the last 80 some years. They don't even bother to learn the language but they ask for to be treated fair. Hell, You don't even get teated fair in the "civilized" world of Europe if you don't speak the language of the society you're living in.

There are EU countries which violates the rights and denies the existence of their minorities when not even terrorism involved by these minorities against them, so it would be pretty naive to expect Turkey to give into terrorism after 30 years and negociate with the kurds for their so-called "human" rights.