So, why did you mention the recent survey where majority identified themselves as of ethnic Turk origin...? I am sorry but "Türkiyeli" nationalism will not cut it, regardless of how pluralistic it sounds. Imagine every ethnicity demanding the same rights Kurds are, is this your vision of democratic new Türkiye...?

1- If some Kurds do not know any Turkish and many Kurds can’t use it properly, why insist on Kurdish education in schools…? Shouldn’t they catch up on Turkish, should the state expect any benefit form these people, or just provide gratis all their needs…?

2- I don’t have a problem with having Kurdish as second language, but people need to know the official language to demand education in a second language.

3- If you provide them services in Kurdish when many don’t know Turkish, naturally and eventually Kurdish will replace Turkish. Look mate, people from the region join the military at the age of 20 without speaking Turkish and are put through schooling during their service. Many are not even registered at birth to escape integration.

Yep, a discussion on citizenship laws which you ended with, “it alienates Kurds from the Republic”. I ask you how.

But they do, this is what you are not getting. The identity of a Turk, meaning a citizen of Turkish Republic, is offered to everyone. This single identity is required for the Republic to function. You can’t expect to hold all the rights as a citizen when you refuse this identity. Your ethnic origin should not grant you special privileges and will not. In the same manner, when an ethnic Turk being elected in Germany, he is elected as a German citizen obeying the German law. Opposite to what you claim, vast majority of Turks have a single identity and they will protect it, this is only natural.

But the parties you mention with “certain ethno nationalists” also have members of Kurdish origin. What sort of a paradox is this…? You are oversimplifying the situation and lumping the greater responsibility on Turkish state. When in reality, only a section of one minority out of how many ever being advertised today, refused to integrate since the foundation of the Republic.

Now, do you think giving these people all the cultural freedoms they wish, will bring a solution to this issue…? Which section of the Kurdists do you see as moderate, is Ahmet Turk moderate…? 20 of them are elected and this is their big chance to make inroads to more reforms and that prick starts with demanding better conditions for Öcalan in prison. WTF…??? Is well being of Öcalan their main concern, is Baydemir defending Diyarbakır in a war against the Turkish state, like a fortress…? The new modus operandi needs to come from the Kurds and their leaders. They need to condemn and renounce PKK to open a wider path for stability in the region.

I don't understand your point - I am not in favour of creating a 'millet' system where Kurds are hived off from the rest of society. Rather I am in favour of a pluarlistic system that promotes intergartion of those groups that percieve themselves as minorities - throw embracing cultral diversity with in a purely civic Turkiyeli identity. If someone wants to identify as a Turk, Kurd or whatever they should be allowed to organise freely so long as they don't resort to violence.

Why not? I don't see the problem - by educating people in Kurdish and Turkish they will be able to use both more easily. The ban on even using Kurdish to explain Turkish to non Turkish speakers makes it harder for Kurds to learn Turkish.

The exact same policy has been followed in Wales. Welsh and English are taught - All services are in Welsh and English - Both languages are used on the same level.

Look a Britain or Spain - countries that have done far better than Turkey in dealing with nationalist conflict - Look at Canada - all these states function without imposing a monolithic identity.
The ıdentıty of Turkish however has beee ethnicized over history of the Turkish republic. It has not had room in it for the Kurdish identity.

I agree... but no one bans Turkish education or cultural rights in Germany- Kurds are denied many of the rights that Turks demand in Germany.

No, in attempting to conform - many of Turkey's minorities overcompensate - they try to prove they are more nationalist. This is a common theme in nationalism across the world.

COnflict resolution need give and take from both sides - The Turkish state should adopt the moral highground - ıt has the power. Yest, Kurds need fresh leaders - but teh Kurdish room for agency is limited - they don't hold power...

If you want to continue with a military solution - well fine. But it only hurts Turkey in the end.

Yeah… Let’s refer to them as Turkiyeli Kurds to solve the problem. Don’t you see that this is nothing more than playing word games…? Worst of all, these kind of ridiculous suggestions are taken seriously in Turkey.

-Where are you from…?
-I am from Turkey, but I am a Kurd. I’m what we call a Kurd from Turkey.
-Are you Turkish…?
-No I am not Turkish, I am a Kurd.
-Nah, I meant if you were a Turkish citizen or not…?
-Oh yeah, I am, but I am not Turkish, I’m just a citizen of Turkey. Where are you from…?
-I am a British Indian.
-Ah, so you are an Indian citizen of Britain…?
-Uhm, yeah if that’s what you call it, we call it British Indian.


We argue about the silliest things and ignore the main hurdles. The biggest hurdle is, Kurdish leadership not wanting to find a peaceful solution. They embrace their terrorist leaders with fabricated confidence of US presence in the region. Terrorist threat from one side, Islamist threat from another side, EU pressure from all sides; one day the public will say enough is enough and look forward to tanks rolling down the streets again. Then you will have your Turkish moral high ground.

Well said brother. I'm glad to see there still a lot of people who don't buy this "cultural rights" bullshit and sees the real reasons behind it.

Moron...

"Indian" is not an ETHNIC term... It's a GEOGRAPHICAL one... Do you know there are more than 600 languages in India?

The right comparison to "Turkish", would be "Arab" or "Kurdish" or "Persian" or "Armenian"...

So how would you feel about being called an "Armenian Turk"?

Or how about the Turks on Cyprus or those in Greece ... Are they "Greek Turks"?

Yes they are you dumb fuck...because they're holding a Greek citizenship, but they're still Turk ethnically....and they have no problem with this kind of identity,after all..they're Greek citizens.

Since Cyprus is not part of Greece and has it's own national identity, Turks there called "Turkish Cypriots"

Just like the Blacks in USA are "African Americans" and Azeris in Iran "Iranian
Azeris"

When asked, if they're not racists like you, they present themselves as "American" "Iranian" or "Cypriot"

Just because you kurdos don't get this concept, you've been terrorizing the Turks hiding behind the so called "Identity" demands. Dra til helvette din fordømte kurdo.

...and I'm aware of that your racist attitude is only against the Turks.

You are a total retard...


America, Cyprus AND Iran are GEOGRAPHIC areas, not names derived from ETHNICITIES...


You're a dumb fuck and definetly the most gerizekali around... Try to learn the alphabet the second time around - it might help you to a better understanding of words and their meaning...

Let me make it simple for you:

America = land name
Iran = land name
Cyprus = land name

Turkey = land name created by Ataturk & co. containing the ethnic term "Turk" as in: "homeland of the Turks".

Hva nå? Skal du late som om du er fra Skandinavia?

ahha...now you're talking :)

"Turkey = land name...but...but..."

So, Turkey was not called Turkey before Atatürk??

Du er så dumb at det er rart du er født som "menneske"

Unfortunately dirii, the word "turchia" is being used since 16th century by italians.

Funniest thing is, I made that post before the mutt started barking “I’m an Iranian Kurd”, “I’m a Kurd from Turkey” in the other thread.

If I was a Turk living in Armenia, which would be borderline impossible, that's what I'd call myself.

Bingo dumb mutt, now you are getting it.

Gel kuçu kuçu kuçu…

"Türkiyeli" contains the ethnic term “Turk” too, why don’t you have a problem with that. Aaah, it sounds different in Turkish and only created for inner consumption. It has no meaning abroad and you still couldn’t use it, but all is fine for playing word games in Turkey. You are nothing more than a single toothed, banjo playing, bigoted Kurd screaming for human rights. You have the audacity to deny one their Kurdish heritage because they call themselves Turkish.

You, my filthy mutt, are the best example of a racist, terrorist Kurd trying to pass as liberal.
Fuck Norway and take refuge in Turkish mountains, they are ethnically Turkish you know...

A map drawn in 1794 titled : Turkey in Europe





A map drawn in 1806 titled : Turkey in Asia

I guess Diri won't give up being owned. ACtuallY i begin to think he likes that feeling


GERMANy, FRANCE, ITALY, GREECE ARE THE LAND NAMES. STILL COULDN'T UNDERSTAND what Dirii's point. Of course his point is BSing

If that is your attitude then I am sorry -

A turkiyeli nationalism is not just a word game - (When I say a Turkiyeli nationalism - I don't mean that there has to be a name change - what ı mean is that the Turkish state nationalism has to become more ivic in nature and allow freedom for Kurdish political and social organisations - and indeed, has to follow a policy similar to the British poşicy in Wales or so such thing)
If the offical ideology of Turkey was changed to 'Turkiyeli' but nothing changed - the of course it would no change.

As for your Kurds don't want peace idea - that is som typical B-S I hear all the time. The mos robust language that you here does not eminate from Kurdish nationalists but from the Turkih naionalist parties.
The mos extreme Kurdish nationalist actually attack DTP for being to compromising towards the central state (Check out Behrooz Sujari's article at Kurdih Globe)

I would never say that all Kurdish leaders are peaceful or want peace - but most do...

The fact i that there needs to be a process. The fact is that you cannot expec the PKK to be dropped completly unlesss there is a process - Something simila to what happened in northern Ireland needs to happen in Turkey. There has to be an offer on the table which splits the men of violence from your average alienated South Eastern Anatolian Kurd....

The attitude that 'Kurds are ungrateful towards Turkey and Turks and it is they that are the raciss i not going to solve anything -
So fine - you don't think that the Turkish state should engage with DTP
You don't think that Turkey should make adminstartive and legal reforms...

If so don't expect the conflcit to resolved - There will be no winers...

t is a sad situation -

To be fair - these maps were written by European - and by the way the Second map uses the term Kurdistan for the province that stretchs from lake Van to Mosul.

The point is that the Turks and Ottomans themselevs did not use the Term Turkey which was adopted by Europeans (from the Medieval Italian Turkchia) to refer to what the Ottomans called 'The well protected domains'

There is no state officially called Turkey until Ataturk - after which it is used to refer to the rump Ottoman state.

Kurds ar racist and Turks ar not - Racism exists on both sides my friend -

I forgot to add - Yes MHP may have Kurds in it - But PKK was founded by ethnic Turkish leftists too....