http://www.spiegel.de/international/german...,579661,00.html

THE WORLD FROM BERLIN
'We Should take Pro Cologne Less Seriously'
Pro-*test*-('")ers and other citizens in Cologne worked en masse on Saturday to shut down their city and prevent a demonstration by Europe's radical right. But have they given too much attention to the fringe group, Pro Cologne, which organized the rally?

When radical-right activists from around Europe arrived in Cologne on Saturday for a rally, the city was ready. Thousands of pro-*test*-('")ers flooded the rally site, disrupted city transportation and even attacked a river boat where a press conference was supposed to be held.


PHOTO GALLERY: MARCHING IN THE STREETS OF COLOGNE
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Police had prepared for about 1,500 far-right activists, organized by the local "Pro Cologne" movement, to make a public show of discussing what they called the "Islamization" of Europe. Pro Cologne had invited prominent members of Europe's radical right, like Filip Dewinter, who heads Belgium's ultra-nationalist Vlaams Belang (Flemish Interest) party, and members of the UK's whites-only British National Party, to attend and speak.

The immediate reason for rally was a recent go-ahead by local authorities for a mosque to be built in the city's Ehrenfeld neighborhood. Pro Cologne ("Pro Köln") had been founded to resist the mosque.

But an estimated 40,000 pro-*test*-('")ers turned up in Cologne's downtown Heumarkt area, many wearing clown suits, to disrupt the rally. They blocked urban trains to keep delegates away and raided a tourist boat shaped like a whale -- called the "Moby Dick" -- where the far-right gathering had been hoping to hold a press conference. A Pro Cologne spokesman said, "Stones, bricks and paint bombs were thrown and the panoramic windows of the Moby Dick were shattered."

Police cancelled the rally after 45 minutes. Pro Cologne organizers had to dismantle microphones and other equipment in Heumarkt while the overwhelmed riot cops tried to hold back the crowd of pro-*test*-('")ers. Some demonstrators -- police estimated the violent faction at about 100 -- flung paint bombs at the organizers or lit fires near barricades in the streets.

Even away from the rally, the anti-Islam conference was massively unpopular within Cologne. The city's motto for the weekend seemed to be "No Kölsch for Nazis," Kölsch being a local style of beer. About 150 bars hung banners and handed out beer mats bearing that slogan, and the bar owners refused to serve any obvious far-right visitors. But on Monday morning German papers are wondering whether the flare-ups of violence on Saturday didn't contradict the whole point of the city's resistance.

The center-left Süddeutsche Zeitung writes:

"The activists of Pro Cologne have achieved one thing with their 'Anti-Islam Congress' over the weekend: They have made a name for themselves far beyond the borders of the city. Their only audience on Cologne's Neumarkt was a group of European TV crews, in front of whom a few functionaries managed to voice their crude ideas about the supposed threat of 'Islamization' in European society."

"The political heart of the radical right is obviously political fear-mongering and race-baiting of immigrants, Turks above all. The planned Central Mosque in Ehrenfeld was a blessing for them, because doubts about the mosque have spread so far throughout Cologne society. (But) the Turkish-Islamic Union is, in fact, a controversial sponsor for the mosque … A rational discussion is now all but impossible, especially after this weekend."



The center-right Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung writes:

"The overwhelmingly peaceful counter-demonstration illustrated Cologne's tradition of 'live and let live,' even if it came at an exaggerated expense: Tens of thousands of pro-*test*-('")ers descended on a maximum of 200 far-right delegates, winning them disproportional attention in the media -- never mind the cost of sending police to protect them from the violent left-wing faction."

"We should take 'Pro Cologne' less seriously. Nationalism and intolerance exist among Turks in Germany, too -- and with an intensity that would drive these counterdemonstrators back to the streets, if only they could understand the language."

But the left-wing daily Die Tageszeitung writes:

"Even if the citizens of Cologne continue to have different conceptions of the planned mosque, they're united on at least one question -- no public demonstrations by the radical right in their town. (Conservative) Christian Democrats therefore stood with trade unionists, Left-Party members and students; Christian churches stood with Islamic groups; critics of Islam stood with mosque supporters; Carnival clowns stood with hooded anarchists. Taxi drivers refused to help the far-right delegates, hotel owners cancelled their rooms, and bar owners backed up their promise of 'No Kölsch for Nazis.' And the police took advantage of any means allowed by law to keep from being used by 'Pro Cologne.' The fact that a few demonstrators weren't satisfied with violence-free pro-*test*-('") cannot spoil the success of this alliance."

-- Michael Scott Moore, 12:30pm CET

If they are against further muslim immigration then they are very smart people instead of Nazis as the article alleges. Most leftist Greek forumers here use the same tactic in this forum every day as that used by the crappy newspaper article Mavrogenides posted. They make an accusation to stigmatize and castigate someone, without every providing arguments or rational debate(which they are not capable of).

Respect. Mavro you should post more often

And Im surprised a little but very glad at the number of people that pro-*test*-('")ed these fascists.

Hello Uski..I hope you are okay abi.


Let me tell you that the whole city was ready to wreck these arseholes..and most of the people were germans,we immigrants did not appear so much last weekend.
I am very proud of my people here..yes,well done to the "krauts".

Be proud for your people the leftist idiots(worldwide)...

Islam is a total system, with judicial, political, religious and military components. One of the aspects of Islam is that muslims have to live dominant(hakim) over non-muslims and this is a source for alot of global conflict and strife in the past and even today. Muslim countries control Islam in a more harsh manner than any European country controls its mosques, so having a debate if you allow a mosque is not racist. First off this takes as an assumption the unique Western notion of "freedom of religion", which has no parallel in muslim countries, and second it assumes incorrectly that Islam is like Christianity(that is, that it is a mere religion).

Just using empty castigations like calling people Nazi is common tactic by the left in Germany(Just like the Greek leftists on this forum use similar tactics, which they use also in real life). The reality is that probably the muslims immigrants are one of the most fanatic communities of Western Europe, they just do not have enough numbers or power to act on their traditional views, so as a temporary tactic they have to pander to leftist/liberal views.

It is my assertion that even the most fanatic Turk immigrans on this forum like Piyade, national Islamist Turk, etc. in real life(contrary to what they portray on this forum) will tend to pose Turkey as tolerant. modern, European, multi-cultural in their real to life encounters with non-Turks. Let us assume that tomorrow that the Netherland had 6 million muslims, would the muslims need such deceptions to hide their views any longer?

I think its a lot more effective to see Germans pro-*test*-('") rather than immigrants

And i am well abi. How are you living?
btw I plan to visit Germany this summer(2009). I hope i wont encounter any fascists lol

Glad to hear you´re doing fine Uski.


I do also very fine..I have a new job since january,earning a lots of cash for doing almost nothing...my dream come true!

@Nikiphoros

Well..lets take a look at your new friends,some pictures from the "pro cologne" guys;

http://www.arbeiterfotografie.de/galerie/r...3-15-2-8849.jpg

http://www.arbeiterfotografie.de/galerie/r...3-15-2-8856.jpg

You should know that the NPD is a nazi organisation,some of the last NPD icons,old wehrmacht murders who killed children and old people in northern greece during WW2 just died during the last two years.
Sad about it?

A translation from the Pro-Koln website, before the planned meeting in Cologne even took place this is what happened:

Just castigate someone as a nationalist(curse word for European left), far-right or Neo-Nazi. Just beat people up and then call them fascist. The real fascists of Europe today in the majority are the left. The new fascism is antifa, anti-fascism. Flat out the European left is mud slinging what went down in Cologne, castigating those there, they are proud for themselves for preventing free assembly. Then they call others fascists and extremist, the worms, the slugs, the slime.

In Greece as around most Europe it is leftists group beating people up and rioting in the streets and then running to university grounds.

You leftist pricks are not so smart to fool everyone. You are no intellectuals, on this forum it is obvious every so called leftist progressive Greek, his real religion is to acquire money.

Empty castigation??? So you are saying there are no Neo-Nazis in Germany or what?

Or, you are... this guy on the right maybe? (roll to 2:30)

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lmao....what movie is that?

Salt Lake City Punk, aka SLC Punk. Great movie.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0133189/

It is always the same...these few greek nazi pricks around the world outside greece did not even their military service in greece but calling those who did "traitors" or "leftists".


Hey arsehole..Manfred Rouhs und Markus Beisicht,the chiefs of "pro cologne" were both members of the german NPD...
Look at the pictures above and tell me if these guys look like defenders of free speech and democrazy.


What a wanker..

It is always the same German/Greek leftists act like pricks.

You are just bringing up a baseless ad-hominen that I am a Nazi, like it is the tactic for the leftists in your homeland of Germany. Pro-Cologne had a Jewish member whom was beat up by the antifa.

In a recent thread on this forum:

Now AlperNYC is living the USA. It is not normal for Americans to behave like this. But let us put it mildly and say recently in Altinova, Turkey the town demonstrated a few times against Kurds and the population there chanted

And now we have a leftist Euro-pussy from Germany telling us on this same forum Pro-Cologne is Nazi and praising extreme leftist thugs? Pro-Cologne who was oppossing a mosque built in Cologne by the Religious Affairs /Diyanet of the country where people are chanting death to Kurds? I wonder if German leftist losers should be worried about the Kemalist fanaticism coming to Germany instead of Pro-Cologne trying to make a demonstration until "progresive". "peacable" leftists prevented them and then pat themselves on the back for it.

Afterall you leftist twats can keep ignoring how many Turks on this forum even in their diaspora setting and surroundings reject the politicially correct "ethnic diversity" of their country of residence, and prefer to spew the hatred of the racist Kemalism/Islam. What is wrong with you Greek leftist twats attack erect a phantom far-right to attack, while you ignore the worse Turkish behavior a fail to realize that such behavior is sanctioned by a bulk of their state appartus and media. But, oh no, god forbid any leftist moved beyond leftist models of what happens to actually examine how another culture actually thinks.

Lets have a further look on your new friends dear nikiphoros;


The story of Manfred Rouhs..from 1986-2008;
http://biedermanni-verliert.blogspot.com/s...keine+gewalt%22

Look at the links on the right side and see him with his friends "SS-Sigi" and "Hitler of cologne" Axel Reitz..


His friend "Hitler of cologne" Axel Reitz and his nice site;
http://www.naso-mzbi.de/index.php?menue=24...=155&sprache=de

Oh..not to forget Manfreds other freedom fighter for free speach and democracy..may I introduce to you "SS-Sigi";

http://www.taz.de/1/politik/deutschland/ar...Hash=da465f0f1f

Maybe you say new high to your new Turkish kardeshes from the same state appartus that makes pogroms against Greeks, that allows Greeks of Imbros to build their own schools only to have them confiscated by the Turkish state and have their children chant how they are happy to be Turk, the same Turkey where fanatics make threats to the Patriach and Greek community and are strangely never found of punished, the same Turkey that con-*test*-('") Greek air and maritime borders in the Aegean, that dumps illegals on Greek islands, the same Turkey that

<insert thousands of evil calumnious acts that Turkey committs yearly against Greece and Greeks>

And yet the leftist denizen of the world, he is ranting against Pro-Cologne.

Not this same turkish state, spreading its mosques to his City.

Greek leftists, the Turks gotta love them, they make it to easy to work over Greeks.