With the Nato summit in a few weeks, the name issue is hotting up. Surprise-surprise, the yanks per usual seem to be trying to screw us (take note Nice).

These are Nimitz's proposals

Democratic Republic of Macedonia
Constitutional Republic of Macedonia
Independent Republic of Macedonia
Republic of Upper Macedonia
New Republic of Macedonia

they all suck IMO

Let's see if Kostaki has got the balls to veto them. Even Kou-Kou-E is urging the veto. As for Mavro's mates in Syriza, there attitude is "I told you so" with a hint of "kala na pathete". Yes, I know Mavro, the ruling party is to blame.

But I think Greece is pushing for Republic of New Macedonia (aka Nova Makedonija). Well, it makes sense since their identity is a recent one.

Apparently the skops prefer Independent Republic of Macedonia but they want to keep their constitutional as official and on their passports.

Looks like it's going to go down to the wire.

VETO THEM!!!

we have no right to tell a country how they like to be called.

think of this , Magyaroszag = hungary

deutschland=germany
France=gallia
netherlands=dutch=holland

if they fell macedonians they should be free to join us

we should do it first before the bulgarians do it

That's the Catch22...not them joining us (they're not Greeks and I personally don't want them) but Bulgaria absorbing them. It's in Greeece's interest to have a small, weak and economically dependent neighbour to the north rather then a Greater Bulgaria. But their biggest threat is the Albanians. They number 25-30% and are growing. For such a small state this figure for such a restless community would be unsettling. This is their reality but...accepting reality has never been their strong point.

Hellas - Greece

You guys started to shout now we want the name Hellas back? Like some Turks shouting, not Turkey, Türkiye?

exactly koukla , hellas-greece

and dont forget koukla , its not US shouting its SOME of us . dont put us all in the same barrel

Haha....look who's talking

what do you mean?

But Hellas is still our name....not the name of a region of a neighbouring country to which we have no historical/cultural affiliation with.

And as it is Hellas and Greece and referred to interchangeably, eg "Hellas is how the Greeks call Greece."




As for the Turks preferring Turkiye over Turkey...well, I really don't blame them for that.







Long live our two stubborn nations.

Of course it is your name, so is Ellada. There are "some" Greeks who asks the world to call it Hellas like some of our guys who wants the country to be called Türkiye (cuz Turkey is offensive for them bah!)

Stubbornness yes....and complexxxxxxxx!!!!!

This Nimitz's guy has no clue, Who cares if they are called The People's republic or Democratic Republic of, its the "Macedonia" part that counts!

I vote for...The Islamic Slavo Territory Of Northern Macedonia...has a nice ring to it.

Just read on the net,that the current talks in New York look like getting absolutely nowhere.Apparently the FYROM government will not budge on the name issue.
The Greek side has apparently agreed to UN negotiator Matthew Nimitz ,suggestion of Upper Macedonia as the name for this nation.Seems like a fair compromise I guess.However the other side even deems this name as unacceptable......As Talking Heads sang......"we're on the road to nowhere"

fuck them , let the whole world calling them macedonians , we are not and thats what hurts , punks

Things arent so simple. This issue its not only about a name. We all know that FYROM is part of a wider geographical area called Macedonia. The real problem is that the name can be used as a vehicle for irredentism and nationalistic expectations. Itsnt that simple as prosfygas said. We cannot decide about the name of an another country but Fyromians burned their bridges by using the name along with nationalistic propagand e.g shooltexts, maps of a greater "Macedonia" etc. Veto is the only solution and also we need a different foreign policy in Balkans...we have invested million of euros, we have donate huge amount of money to FYROM but we dont use our political and diplomatic weight. Noone has problems with the people of FYROM but it is more than clear that this country cannot exist as an independent state under the name "Macedonia"...

Hi babeaa.

IMHO we have been either underreacting or overreacting from day 1 of the skop-issue.

One must be blind NOT to see the big picture involving pissing Greece through this piece of shit of a country. Problem is that the issue begins with Tito giving the name Macedonia to his southernmost republic because he risked nothing by claiming in reality an exit to the Aegean sea.

Did Greece react when Tito pulled out this trick out of his azz? NO. On top of that in the greek school´s textbooks the southernmost piece of Yugoslavia was called "Republic of Macedonia". Noone bothered in Greece at that time, and that despite a circular of the State department to the US embassies uncovering Titos plot with the name Macedonia and pointing to the real plan: destabilising Greece.

We started to fart in the 90´s, and to lament, and to whine and to do whatever masquerade .... Question is: Did we realize in the 90´s that the Skops are up to something?

The only serious act of foreign policy was carried out by a man with balls (albeit corrupt to the bone) Papandreou. Close the border and let the sick fucks rot. The rest we know.

On the other hand what kind of a threat is this little plagiarist shit of a country. well they can be as irredentists as they want. In fact they are doing it right now with their maps of "greater Macedonia" their Alexander the great airport and their Philipp avenue. Could they ever achieve something?FFS NO. because

1. If we spit on them they will be dissolved

2. They themselves are in great danger (now more than ever) to have Tetovo carved up by the albo. And the rest of their country risks to be eaten by the bulgarian, who sees the FYROM as a geografical extension of his Pirin Macedonia.

So lets veto them alright, but also close the border. And do it with stamina and demonstration of will, despite the squeaks of Solana and various other Brussels low lives.

But always keep in mind that Skops are the last of our problems. The danger is elsewhere