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Zeus- 03-22-2008
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keep your gun pointed at them mate, you never know when one of those kids might pull an ak out and start shooting.

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frisk her next, just in case she is hiding a bomb.

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better be careful dude, never know when those palestinian school girls will flip out and blow them selves up.

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check out these brave men, 6 of them to deal with a boy who has pissed his pants from fear.



mickey- 03-22-2008
so very sad to see such images wherever they occur.
the young boy being held by the 6 soldiers is really quite a disturbing image

Deman68- 03-22-2008
i was sent this zip file from Greece, a cousin of my wives......it shows so many tough Jewish men...if it is one thing that characterizes Jews, is their ability to do things common decency and human dignity denies others....scummy Israelis piece of shits...

I have never met a jew who hasn't got the chosen people complex...the belief their better than others cause their the chosen people of God....taken to extreme it fosters a rabid racism that can lead people to train automatic weapons on little kids...

i hope one day that country is wiped off the face of the earth.... greekturkish/tiphat.gif



http://rapidshare.com/files/101418053/atta..._03_13.zip.html

westerort- 03-22-2008
Disturbing images indeed.

Artemidoros- 03-22-2008
QUOTE (Deman68 @ March 22, 2008 08:05 am)


I have never met a jew who hasn't got the chosen people complex...the belief their better than others cause their the chosen people of God....taken to extreme it fosters a rabid racism that can lead people to train automatic weapons on little kids...

i hope one day that country is wiped off the face of the earth.... greekturkish/tiphat.gif



http://rapidshare.com/files/101418053/atta..._03_13.zip.html


I can say the same for many Greeks. And the more "chosen people complex" they have the more antisemitic they are.

Deman68- 03-22-2008
QUOTE (Artemidoros @ March 23, 2008 08:13 am)

I can say the same for many Greeks. And the more "chosen people complex" they have the more antisemitic they are.

i disagree.....i know few Greeks who have a chosen people attitude....

and as for Greeks they have never committed half the atrocities that the state of Israel has.....then deflect any criticism with exploitation of the term antisemitism and the holocaust, to tap into the wide sense of guilt in Christian Europe....

They stole an entire land, displaced its people, then shit all over them all day long, 24/7....use the power of the state and law to displace them of their remaining land holdings, buildings etc to shift the demographics, particularly in Jerusalem....

and the whole world stands by and does nothing....nothing in the media... nothing in political circles.....etc...but when a Palestinian lets of a bomb cause he has few other avenues to retaliate.....hes a terrorist.....

sometimes I'm so disgusted with this world and its injustices....Sorry Arti....tthe state of Israel has been the single largest contributing factor to instability, conflict in the ME....

Arabas Perna- 03-23-2008
Humans.
The race that suffered 6 million deaths in horrific ways in the 40's is playing out the same initial steps that led to their holocaust. A mere generation later.

It takes one generation to learn a lesson, but the following one forgets it unless it's learnt through experience.

Artemidoros- 03-24-2008
QUOTE (Deman68 @ March 23, 2008 01:19 am)
i disagree.....i know few Greeks who have a chosen people attitude....

and as for Greeks they have never committed half the atrocities that the state of Israel has.....then deflect any criticism with exploitation of the term antisemitism and the holocaust, to tap into the wide sense of guilt in Christian Europe....

They stole an entire land, displaced its people, then shit all over them all day long, 24/7....use the power of the state and law to displace them of their remaining land holdings, buildings etc to shift the demographics, particularly in Jerusalem....

and the whole world stands by and does nothing....nothing in the media... nothing in political circles.....etc...but when a Palestinian lets of a bomb cause he has few other avenues to retaliate.....hes a terrorist.....

sometimes I'm so disgusted with this world and its injustices....Sorry Arti....tthe state of Israel has been the single largest contributing factor to instability, conflict in the ME....

Just re-read what you wrote and you may see the racism in it. But you will probably fail to.
BTW the US has comitted infinitely more crimes than Israel and has a big hand in Israel's crimes too. Should we be trying to wipe out the US?
Stop reading fascist antisemitic shit, especially of the extra-stupid Greek type.

Spartan King- 03-24-2008
QUOTE (Zeus @ March 22, 2008 06:23 am)

frisk her next, just in case she is hiding a bomb.

There has been a considerable increase in the number of female suicide bombers used, as generally they used to get through security checks a lot easier.

A lot of people have been killed by women carrying bombs.

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keep your gun pointed at them mate, you never know when one of those kids might pull an ak out and start shooting.


Again, children have been used, a 14 year old boy was stopped not long ago carrying a suicide bomb towards a security post, he was mentally disabled and had been used by one of the groups.

Look, the Israelis are not angels, but neither are the Palestinians, the guilt runs on both sides. The same way that American/Israeli hawks disgust me every time they portray all the Palestinians as murderous animals and Israel as a poor victim, so do the pro-Palestinians who try and paint Israelis as 21st century Nazis who enjoy brutalising the poor innocent Arabs. More often than not the 'pro-Palestinian' advocates are merely anti-Jews.

Arte is spot on, there is a section of Greeks- in fact of all Europeans who have never shed anti-Semitism, Denman may not even realise it, but over the years of reading his posts he is clearly just racist against the Jews.


Mavrogenides- 03-24-2008
I now jews who describe their country as "fascist" and I know also palestinians who descibe the hamas as "fanatic murders" which use even small kids for suicide bombing and weapons smuggle..

Like all long time conflicts the right and wrong has been lost in an endless river of hate.

@Deman
Arti is right..stop reading this anti-semitic shit.
Remember a long time ago when some people here started about how the jews "control the media" and how these people created "evidence" for this by showing lists of names of "jewish heritage" which "control the big media companies"..and then we saw names like Schmidt and Mueller.
Every second German has these names and Hitlers cousin and hundreds of nazi generals were named Schmidt.. greekturkish/Rolls.gif
The most funniest thing I remember was the "jewish control of the media worldwide"..but when I asked what went wrong with this control when the whole worlds media reported very negative about the last huge isreali offensive vs lebanon(in greece there was a hysterical anti-isreali media hype from all newspapers and TV stations..even the ERT!!) noone of these idiots could give me an answer..

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Julian- 03-24-2008
It was the Zionists who started terrorism in Palestine while the Fatah, Hamas and other groups just followed the suit.

Fatah (a.k.a. PLO) and its various splinter groups fought against Israel for decades, not shunning the terrorist modes of struggle as well. But as I said, Zionists were the first one to use terrorist tactics in Palestine/Israel, when Palestine was still under the Bristih mandate. Assassinations of British officials and soldiers as well as massacres against Arabs/Palestinians happened quite frequently. Immediately after the Decaration of Independence of Israel in 1948 the famous Deir Yassin massacre against the local Arab population followed. A mass exodus of Palestinian Arabs (mostly Muslims, but also Christians) from the newly created State of Israel ensued. They lived in refugee camps in various Arab states and it was there that Fatah as a politico-military movement for the recuperation of Palestine was born.

Still, Palestinian Arabs are not innocent victims here, its a known fact that islamists recruit both women and children for cowardly suicide attacks on everyday Israeli civilians.


Deman68- 03-25-2008
QUOTE (Artemidoros @ March 24, 2008 08:56 pm)
Just re-read what you wrote and you may see the racism in it. But you will probably fail to.
BTW the US has comitted infinitely more crimes than Israel and has a big hand in Israel's crimes too. Should we be trying to wipe out the US?
Stop reading fascist antisemitic shit, especially of the extra-stupid Greek type.

sorry Arti & Mavro

i dont read much anti zionist crap as you refer to it....you guys must have read some to know what the calibre of their writing is all about...

i base my judgement on what i see...i know were all the way down here in Australia and all....and contrary to common held beliefs, were not two bit hicks, surrounded by bush, kangaroos, emu's and the like...

we actually have a media, we have TV shows called documentaries....where it has been documented, the tactics the jewish state uses to take hold of land, buildings from palestinians...

i have seen documentaries that show the Jewish states tactics on building Jewish setlements full of ultra radicals totting uzi's, m-16's etc, right in the middle of Palestinian land, land which has been taken from them...

i have seen documentaries, and articles that show that until the beginning of WW2, few Jews existed in Palestine, which was largly populated by the palestinians...it was only after WW1, and particularly WW2, when the pan zionist movement really took hold and they came back in droves, using guilt, sympathy of the holocaust to achieve their aims....a Jewish state....and as i might recognise a partial justice in the need for these people to have a homeland, i do not recognise it at the expense of the palestinians....

it was real people who got displaced from these lands, Palestinians who had never left and all of a sudden saw a jewish takeover.....to this day it continues...they have been pushed onto arid land in the West Bank and Gaza....surrounded by Israeli walls, army, security forces,etc etc looking to blast them the first sign of some whacko islamic fundamentalist pops up....but not just him but the entire region....

a state who retaliates the same way a terrorist organisation does,doesnt deserve to exist....

I do hope the Israeli state collapses, i do hope the palestinians are given back their rightfall share of the lands, as the 1948 UN resolution stipulated....thats right we have access to the internet down here in Australia as well....as hard as it is to believe...we can educate ourselves...


no offence Mavro, you live in Germany, i think its more pertinant for you to preach the anti semitic lesson to your fellow germans....

i dont hate jews, i hate israel for what it stands for, for the atrocities and theft of palestine that it committed....

and i dont excuse the terrorists either, but if guilt be apportioned equally Israel bares the larger share...all stems from their actions... greekturkish/tiphat.gif

and lastly, no offence Arti, but i dont appreciate your cynical comments on whether i can or cannot appreciate the tone of my posting....

i have never been a racist, and have always tried to stand up against racists....but the truth is the truth...Israel is the major culrpit in all the ME mess....whether you agree or otherwise is not much of a concern to me...


Deman68- 03-25-2008
QUOTE (Julian @ March 25, 2008 04:19 am)
It was the Zionists who started terrorism in Palestine while the Fatah, Hamas and other groups just followed the suit.

Fatah (a.k.a. PLO) and its various splinter groups fought against Israel for decades, not shunning the terrorist modes of struggle as well. But as I said, Zionists were the first one to use terrorist tactics in Palestine/Israel, when Palestine was still under the Bristih mandate. Assassinations of British officials and soldiers as well as massacres against Arabs/Palestinians happened quite frequently. Immediately after the Decaration of Independence of Israel in 1948 the famous Deir Yassin massacre against the local Arab population followed. A mass exodus of Palestinian Arabs (mostly Muslims, but also Christians) from the newly created State of Israel ensued. They lived in refugee camps in various Arab states and it was there that Fatah as a politico-military movement for the recuperation of Palestine was born.

Still, Palestinian Arabs are not innocent victims here, its a known fact that islamists recruit both women and children for cowardly suicide attacks on everyday Israeli civilians.

sssshhh Julian....be careful speaking out on the truth of Jewish terrorism in Palestine might get you labelled an Anti semite on this site.... greekturkish/bluebiggrin.gif




Artemidoros- 03-25-2008
QUOTE (Deman68 @ March 25, 2008 06:44 am)

and lastly, no offence Arti, but i dont appreciate your cynical comments on whether i can or cannot appreciate the tone of my posting....


You are not appreciating it but you are confirming it by saying you see nothing wrong with what you wrote. When you say "I have never met a Jew who has not got the chosen people complex" you imply all or nearly all Jews have it. A Jew does not necessarily have anything to do with Israel. So don't pretend your dislike of Jews is rooted into the Israeli policies. I have an old friend in Greece who is Jewish and discribes Israel like "a fascist shithole where the maniacs have a free hand to stone buses on Saturdays".
Even the Israelis you can not all bag together. Yes the Sionists have the upper hand there but there are many who want peace. Not everybody went there to steal Palestinian land. There are people who went there because they were persecuted in the Muslim countries they lived. There are others who went there to escape antisemitic discrimination in Europe - just because someone cries wolf all the time does not mean the wolf does not exist - or simply to find work. You can not call for all these people to be wiped out. You have been in this forum for as long as I have and I have seen you rant against Jews before. But its not just them. Like I said the US have done and are doing worse than Israel. Isn't Turkey doing the same in Cyprus? Have the founding fathers of Australia not done it to the Abos? Is Indonesia not doing it in Papua? Should half the globe be wiped off to satisfy your quest for "justice"? I am afraid both you and I, and our children, will be in the wiped off part. My commiserations.

Deman68- 03-25-2008
QUOTE (Artemidoros @ March 25, 2008 07:05 pm)
You are not appreciating it but you are confirming it by saying you see nothing wrong with what you wrote. When you say "I have never met a Jew who has not got the chosen people complex" you imply all or nearly all Jews have it. A Jew does not necessarily have anything to do with Israel. So don't pretend your dislike of Jews is rooted into the Israeli policies. I have an old friend in Greece who is Jewish and discribes Israel like "a fascist shithole where the maniacs have a free hand to stone buses on Saturdays".
Even the Israelis you can not all bag together. Yes the Sionists have the upper hand there but there are many who want peace. Not everybody went there to steal Palestinian land. There are people who went there because they were persecuted in the Muslim countries they lived. There are others who went there to escape antisemitic discrimination in Europe - just because someone cries wolf all the time does not mean the wolf does not exist - or simply to find work. You can not call for all these people to be wiped out. You have been in this forum for as long as I have and I have seen you rant against Jews before. But its not just them. Like I said the US have done and are doing worse than Israel. Isn't Turkey doing the same in Cyprus? Have the founding fathers of Australia not done it to the Abos? Is Indonesia not doing it in Papua? Should half the globe be wiped off to satisfy your quest for "justice"? I am afraid both you and I, and our children, will be in the wiped off part. My commiserations.

i stand by what i say....i have yet to meet a jew who to some extent...little or allot doesn't have the chosen people complex......doesn't mean i have not associated with them, liked many, despised others...

i know many Greeks who think their gods cause of the praise for ancient Greece, without having ever read a history book, a work of Plato or Socrates.....

but i have met few Greeks who will use their descent, as a weapon to belittle others from different cultures...well not in Australia anyway....

i have known jews who were radically left wingers, who hated Zionists, i have met Zionists who took pleasure in calling all Christians gentile, with a condescending manner...so what? your trying to teach me that jews, Israeli's or whatever come in all shapes and sizes? well dah.....

but that doesn't still mean the majority don't see themselves as the chosen people, that doesn't stop the fact that their Zionist dominated state oppresses all the Palestinians...that the very injustices perpetrated in 1948 led to one mess in the ME after another....

Jews were oppressed in many parts of Europe ? ok, so they go and do the same to the Palestinians....to take care of their own they steal an entire nation and them commit one sin after another to hold on to it....nice....

the Aborigines? very clever ploy Arti, i never doubted you were quite clever, but what has what happened 220 years ago in the 18th century got to do with what happened 60 years ago in a civilized world.....? atleast Australia has recognised its sins of the past, it gave land rights back, is preparing to pay compensation to them.....

we can go back thousands of years and find one complicent culture or another who has oppressed another..but were talking in the modern world....

how many UN resolutions do the Israelis flout.....how many times have they turned their backs on peaceful solutions....

in its current form Israel cannot stand in any just way....the Palestinians deserve their land back...or a fair share of it.....the current state is an atrocity...or do you advocate that it is ok to steal another's country?


you mention Cyprus in the same post, failing to grasp that the Turkish state did the exact same thing...went in and took a part of the island for itself...at the cost of the Cypriot people....how is that different to what occurred in Palestine?....

Israel must make amends for its past actions...it cannot continue as is....

i don't remember ranting against jews.....please give me some credit and stop associating me with the likes of Temenos...if you want to pin the anti Semite tag on some donkey i know were he dwells and can ask him to come back for you.....i never said Jews should be wiped out...i think you took my argument and kept running way past the goal post.....

but at the same time, i don't buy into the whole lets not criticize the jews or Israelis...cause their victims, or cause i am afraid some misinformed person will call me anti Semite...


as a Christian it is reasonable to side with the Israelis, as many Christians i know do, due to their hate of muslims....i dont buy into religious hates, i can see massive injustice in the Palestinian issue and want it addressed....if that means a time will come when Israel will be forced to give land back then so be it....

tell me Arti, as a father did you not feel your blood boil seeing those Israelis aim automatic weapons at little kids as tools of intimidation?...

As for the US i believe their will be a time when they will be made to pay for past sins....i believe in Karma....the wheel turns for all of us.....

as for our children...i would rather believe it was better to have those willing to stand against Injustice than simply roll over and accept the way the world is....

i mean what does it matter...your kids in the UK and mine here are privileged...their not Palestinians..who have been refugees in their own lands for 60 years plus....anyways....seems you have me all pegged and figured out....


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thats pretty good cause i am still trying to find myself....

Deman " Anti Semite" 68 signing out.... greekturkish/tiphat.gif

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