PS: Even George made some good points in here.

no offence kaya, if you had followed this thread you would have seen what i meant by it....

and no offence mate, but a person who has expressed extreme hate and racism towards Kurds doesnt qualify criticising me... just saying mate....atleast i dont have a dog in this hunt Kaya, but my sense of justice and fairness leads me to feel disgust at Israels conduct...

no one here applauds the acts of Hamas...but they are a result of jewish intransigence and oppression....

once more, i dont feel that the powers that be that lead the jewish states policies are a minority...im not saying all Jews agree, but a sizeable amount do atleast turn a blind eye to the acts of the state...same thing in my book....


there are elements in both sides who do not want peace...there are elements on both sides that abhor the violence...their are elements this and elements that...

what none of you apologists understand that this all means jack shit....the underlying cause remains and will continue to fuel new generations of hate and killing...

until a just an equitable solution is found...a share of the land that both sides will accept it will continue....who did what, or who has this or that right is irrelevant...

Israel must accept it took without right what it did not deserve...the entire palestinian region....

UB, EU, USA must force both sides, no more fart assing around, force them with real consequences to accept a mutually beneficial solution....if there is a will there is a way...

and i guarantee you, the biggest stumbling block wont be hamas, but the ultra right wing Zionist Jewish settlers....who are ten times more fanatical than any Hamas foot soldier....

you lost the argument right here....

George may have made some good points then ruined it by his racist remarks...and his elitist attitude...



his whole position can be summed up as...i like the jews more, so i want them to win....screw the muslim palestinians...

I never said that I hate all Kurds but I hate the pkk with every atom of my being. I realise that innocent kurds went to their death at the behest of the pkk. Another point I want to make with you is that I have never, ever supported terrorism in any shape or form. I also realise the points that you and Zeus were trying to make but I find the picture posts of Nazis extremely repugnant. It just doesn't fit your style.

You and I have our ups and downs but I mostly respected your opinions on the forums until I saw the Nazi pictures you and Zeus posted. I know you're using sarcastic license but, like I said, it doesn't fit your style.

On the contrary... George made a good point when he said that we barbaric Ottomans did NOT try to squash your language and religion. We never did any of that. If we did... you would be speaking turkish and praying to Allah 5 times a day.

The reason we posted the nazi pictures was for a laugh.
Being called Nazi's, because we disagree with the actions of the Israeli military and government, against the Palestinian people....these guys can't be for real, that makes one a racist?

I disagree with what America is doing in Iraq, does that make me anti-American and racist?

I disagree with what China is doing to Tibet, does that make me ant-Chinese and racist too?


A few of these guys here are just too gutless and have no honour to admit that they are racist and have pre-conceived prejudices against the Palestinians.

At least George has the arxidia to say how he really feels.

I did not find it funny.

I only have one single problem when it comes to this kind of discussions.

The essence..

I met so many people all around the world who care so much about the palestinians...do they care for the irakis?Maybe the women in afghanistan or saudi arabia?
Did you Deman maybe ever took care for any kind of minority or any group of people who were/are under oppression?

And then they say things like "I hope that israel dissapears from the earth"..only to tell us a few minutes later "I never meant it like this!!!"

So what do you meant dear Deman?
What can anyone want to say with thse kind of shit?

I know it.
We all know it.

The essence is;"The jews do the same as the nazis did with them"=they are not worth of living.
They are scum.Criminals.
Members of a group which should be killed,destroyed,pushed around.Adolf was absolutely right.


And guys like Zeus who talk about "honest enough to say what you mean"...I did not see you Zeus asking Deman how he meant his "Israel should dissapear..." rants(I know Deman..you never meant it like this.And everyone who followed this threads should know it. ).
Why not Zeus??
Not funny enough?



And this is the essence...

no one trully knows what went on then...initially their was mass conversions to islam by invading Turks...or so the academics say...later the ottoman empire did become allot more lax....granted..
that is not to say Greeks did not strive to keep Greek identity and language alive in an alien empire...

well unfortunately Kaya...

when i was being called an anti semite by a couple of dudley do rights on this site....for simply expressing my disgust of the treatment of palestinians....

i could either get angry and play into their hands...or ridicule them in return....i chose the latter...and you must admit a more controlled and admirable tact...

i had written a comprehensive reply to your verbal diarrhetic diatribe but my browser shut down...

so ill recap in brief....i have always shown outrage at what is going on in iraq and Afghanistan....i have always voiced the need for internal democratisation in the ME, for example in Saudi Arabia, Iran etc...but not by the Ala bush style at the end of a gun barrel....

what you and many fail to see is that the mess in the ME is due to US and British meddling.....and political intrigue....and that indirectly the US stance on Palestine, and its support of ISrael is also part of the problem.....

so what point were you trying to make Fritz?

you can recap and harp on my comments even though i explained them many times and that they were said in anger....it doesnt matter what i said, your just using them to try and score points against me, in a petty small minded way...cause you cant debate me in any other way Fritz.....so keep gong its no sweat of my sack Mavro....how long you been in Germany, your almost as anal retentive as the run of the mill Kraut.....you should go back to Greece for a few years rediscover your roots...




and i find it hilarious you keep mentioning the holocaust, Germans and Adolf when you live in a nation that perpetrated one of the grea-*test*-('") crimes against humanity...maybe your super sensitive attitude to the plight of the jews should activate your conscience and make you leave...

lastly you can throw any comment at me Fritz, shit or otherwise...sarcasm or humour (in all honesty you suck at both....Germans just cant do humour well )you want to play in the mud and get nasty lets do it by all means...you want to debate the topic by all means...

you dont want to address me any more? be still my heart, my feelings are hurt and my eyes are tearing up...

either way its no sweat of my sack....

Free palestine you Zionist Pigs....Viva PLO...

I am no racist mate. I love everyone. And above all I am no elitist. You just cant have a normal conversation without wanting to insult the man dissagreeing with you.


You watch too many movies file. The world is a very cruel place. Not always the good guy wins. Always the clever guy wins. The clever guy with the aces under his sleeves.

At the end of the day dont kid yourself. We have a hundred nations in the world. All these nations are competing with eachother, economically untill time comes and they will compete in some battlefield. Where the loosers will be vanquished and the winners are going to rip the benefits and perhaps the lands. Its a competitive and cruel world where the most powerfull guy with brains wins.

Survival of the fit-*test*-('") is what todays world is mate.

im taking the piss out of you, there is a difference...

you and your german mate need to get a sense of humour...

how old are you George? im almost 40, i think i know better than you how the world works and is.....

that does not make it right....the reason we have the UN, as ineffective as it is, the Hague court etc etc etc....is the ideal of universal justice, a morality or right over wrong in world affairs....

if your sole claim that Israel deserves palestine cause it is stronger, is more powerful and can thump the bejeezes out of the Palestinians...and cause the world can sometimes be evil? then your point is not valid...

so i guess you side with Turkey over its invasion of Cyprus....i guess you side with Turkey in its incursions into Greek Airspace...why not George? they are stronger, have bigger armed forces, larger population.....Greece doesnt have the ruthlessness to stop them, i.e shoot a plane down...
so by your logic, we deserve all we will get, the world is not fair after all...



its the most ridiculous line of reasoning i have ever heard...and i hope you really dont believe what you say, or otherwise i seriously doubt your intelligence...

man from ancient days till today has struggled for natural justice..its as concept as old and the need to breath....right over wrong....

as is the notion of the protection of the weak from the strong bully....i hope one day life doesnt throw you a lesson to teach you this Yiorgaki...

and as for your somewhat semi lucid attempt to describe the scarcity of resources concept to me,and the struggle of nations to secure them....well that was another era Yiorgaki....today things are a bit more civilised...

and nothing of what you said, whether right or wrong means it should be like this...nor that man should not constantly strive for justice and rights....

to accept things as they are when you know its wrong is pure cowardice...

Do you know what a funny guy you are?

"No I am no racist but all jews think they are the choosen ones and they work all together for world conspiracies and in every case we must wipe out israel from the face of the earth...but all of this I never meant really"

Please Deman..once again,cause it is so fuckin´ funny(allthough I am geman and have no humor..again..your virtousity in using these nice little cliche is just wonderfull.. ) explain me how you meant all these shit...what did you mean when you say that israel must dissapear?
Is this just an expression that you work so hard on yourself to differ between every single person no matter what religion or ethnical group?
Can we say that?

Or is it just an expression that you hate all jews...and that you give a shit about anyone as long as they fight and kill jews?

Let us look into your words you "never meant like this"...

Yeah..the more often I read it I can discover your neutrality,your love for every human being on earth(or just your love for the earth you wants so urgently to free only from a few millions jews..how nice,good guy!)

But you said much nicer stuff about the jews,no?

I mean that everyone must admit that these sentences do not leave any kind of space for misunderpretations...how could me,this stupid little indoctrinated and brainwashed Fritz just call you racist???
Please forgive me dear Deamn...I am not worthy of your tolerance and wisdom.


But most of all I liked this one...cause it is so untypical for anti semits;

Well...if this is not THE proof that you are the most enlighted and wisest guy around...then I don´t fuckin´ don´t know!
But..you know....someone could ask you (if he is a bad guy like me)what you wanna say us with this words of wisdom?
That the jews do the same fuckin´shit that the nazis did to them?
Noooo...ofcourse not Deman...

Bu,what if someone(for ex. again me) would accuse you of something like this?
That you want to say;Jews=nazis=scum?
Thus..we must do something against this jewish cancer....

Nah..only a wild theory of mine..just ignore it!


Anyway..

Hey nobody is laughing. Perhaps its you that need to revise your humour mate.
As for the I am older so I know more crap. Know this... knowledge and wisdom does not go hand in hand with age.

No I support Israel because its one of the world's great civilization. It hadnt had a country for almost 2 millenia. Because they are progressive and smart. And because its a unique civilization in the world that cant be found in any other country in the world.

As for the survival of the fit-*test*-('") stuff. What can I say... I am a realist you are an illusionist. Keep dreaming.