no i got exactly what you wanted to say, have no fear Mavro i may lack many things, but comprehension is not one....

firstly, Thessaloniki has Been Greek for the overall majority if its history.....secondly it was under Turkish occupation.....

furthermore, the palestinians were there even before islam....they were semi nomadic tribes in the times of Jesus and before.....islam has nothing to do with it....

no one will deny that to many Greeks until recently, considered Istanbul as constantinople and our city...

so lets say Mavro, if Greece had succeeded in 1922, and we sent hundreds of thousands of Greeks into istanbul....kicked out the majority of the Turks and claimed it for our own cause it was always Greek, even if for 450 years it was majority turkish occupied, this would be right? well it was our town bequethed to us by historic posterity? does it matter that a "God" or "yahweh" didnt give it to us?....

my answer is that you cannot come in after so many years, claim some historical or religious link, kick out the people who were there and then claim it as just to do so....

and Mavro, i repeat just in case you did not comprehend the first time, no one is denying the jews have a vested interest now in palestine....what i am saying that it cannot claim one at the expense of the palestinians who have an equal claim...

Actually you can do whatever fuck you want. There is nothing one cant do when he has the power to do so.

Everything else is just idiocy.


If we had the power we would have kicked the Turks out, purged Istanbul of its muslim population and repopulated it with Greeks. And dont tell me we wouldnt have done this if it was possible.

End of story.

listen butter boy

i admire your sense of calling a spade a spade.....and honesty in not hiding your feelings...like some other Israeli apologists on thid forum

it still doesnt make them any less deluded or quite silly Yiorgaki....you started off lucid and then went off on one of your illogical tangents

not cause your lacking logic, but cause you hate the palestinians and admire the israelis without any really justfyable reason...other than your obvious prejudice against arabs, muslims etc....

and as for your final assertion...no i would not want to kill, injure or kick out 11-14 million turks from Istanbul to simply get back a city that we no longer have a claim to....it just like asia minor...as sad as it may be....as cowardly and inhuman as the Turkish pogrom actions were in 1922....the fact is that it is no longer Greek territory...pure and simple...and i would not support or advocate any conduct to change that....

Why do you always have to bullshit before getting to the point?

I dont hate Arab Muslims. But I am damn right doubting their competence and contribution to the world. Just the fact that Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Oman and so on and so forth are all the same shit, proves my point.

I do respect Turkey and Iran though. These guys DO have lots of potential.

Why should I exchange another backward Arab muslim country for a prosperous Israeli republic. There are alot of Arab countries so far, why more? the world does not need more?

cause rarely is there any point when discussing with you re boutiro....

olo malakies les....

do you even realise how stupid, racist and ridiculous you sound? so what next you going to blame the poor for being poor....?

what criteria do you use to write off over a billion people, atleast 20-30 nations....do you know Greece and Greeks were once seen like this? backwards....poor etc etc etc....

when you make a valid sensible point re, i will respond in kind from the beginning...otherwise i will take the piss out of you...just a touch.....

vre malakes, this discussion has become pointless...we have discussed the subject over and over again many times

ehis thikio re Razor....

aplos mou ti thini pou kapioi etho mesa mas to pezoun exipnoi, ke petane katathikies horis sovarotita...

i cant stand the notion that any criticism of israel or jews harsh or otherwise makes you an antisemite....i wish these defenders of Israel could show a tenth the compassion for the palestinians that they show for the Jews...

but your right...no point arguing.....the only thing that changes a dogmatic mind is a bullet....

Arti & Mavro, what cities do you live in?...

@Deman.

Thats because your stupid man. I considered what you said. But most probably you havent even read what I said.

no i read what you said, considered it for a nano second then realised it was nonsense and drivel...

anyone who hates an entire race/religion based on the silly criteria you set is sub par in intelligence...and whay you work for daddy i assume...boutire eh boutire...

Malakies les pali. Pote egw ipa oti misw olous tous mouslmanous?
Diladi ti sto diaolo re file den ksereis na diavazeis?

Eseis to pate poli pio sinaisthimatika to pragma. Egw zigizw omws tous dio laous.
Palaistinioi VS Israel. Poios laos ine kaliteros, poios aksizei na exei k poios oxi?
Ti ine gia tin anthropotita k gia ton antrhwpino politismo pio simantiko? Ena israilino kratos i ena Palaistinio kratos?

Mporeis na thewreis ton tropo mou oligon omo. Alla distixws etsi exei to pragma.

Kratos san to Israel allo den iparxei ston kosmo. Ine monadiko etsi opws k emeis, k prepei na prostateuthei. Kratos omws san tin Palaistini iparxei. Livano. Aigiptos ktl ktl. Me to na min iparxei i Palaistini den tha xasei tipota i anthrwpotita.

Ti sxesh exei poios laos prosferei pio polla kai poios liga..Dhladh me ayth th logikh oi afrikanoi prepei na eksafanistoun h na ypodoulwthoun apo tous dytikous pali giati den "prosferoun" sthn an8rwpothta?

To dikaiwma autodia8eshs kai eley8erias einai "fysiko" dikaiwma olwn twn an8rwpwn. Kai oi duo laoi, exoun to dikaiwma na yparxoun, na zoun eley8eroi kai en eirhnh aneksarthtws fylhs, 8rhskeias ktl..

Mporei na sou fainete omo k skliro alla i pragmatikotita etsi ine.

kanis poli lathos yiorgi...ohi mono omo ine auta pou les, ala ise poli skliros ke athikos...

na thimase mono mia exfrasi, tha to pos sta agglika...he who lives by the sword dies by the sword...it has multiple meanings....if you see things so tough and rigid, remember one day it will be your turn....there is always someone stronger and tougher, who contributes more...if we extend your logic, then all those that are poor and disadvanted in the world, should be left to rot and die, to wither away without help, cause they dont deserve to exist? Etsi ine re yiorgi?....xeris poso fasistiki akouyete oi logiki sou?...

no country has the right to exist more than an another....we have international law, notions of justice for this very reason....so that those in power, those who have might cannot oppress the weaker/poorer...all notions of justice in the world are based on the principle of equality amongst men, and by extrapolation nations.....mutual respect for one another...

if you have any compassion, you would atleast appreciate the plight of the palestinians...no one is saying Israel doesnt have a right to exist....but whay at the expense of the palestinians?...

Deman said:

Mate, was it not you who wanted to see the entire state of Israel erased off the face of the earth?

I've been following this thread since Zeus started it and both sides make some legit arguments. However, wishing for the destruction of an entire state, due to the actions of a minority, namely the Israeli security forces, is going a bit too far. I have some jewish friends and collegues who absolutely abhor the current situation in Israel. Please stop generalising. In your words....you're better than that.

My heart goes out to the innocent victims on both sides but I have to admit that Israel responds disproportionately to Palestinians. Having said that, there are elements in Palestinian society who do not want peace. They want to wipe out Israel off the face of the world and there are other Arab elements working in conjunction with these elements to do just that.

Another point that some Isreal apologists forget to mention is that the state of Israel got the the UN ruling back in 1948 by resorting to terrorist tactics against the brits. Payback is a bitch but sadly the palestinians blew it on several occasions when they had a chance at peace.

Personally I hold Hamas and their fanatic clerics accountable for the recent destruction of Lebanon's infrastructure. We can go on and on and on but the fact remains that terrorism does not solve anything. Ghandi liberated the sub-continent of India peacefully. I'll get off my soap box now as I have had a couple of glasses of vino.

Cheers